Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 02:03:19 PMThere's no such thing as a coaching rebellion last year. I understand that's what you term it as but it wasn't that at all.

The DC quit.  The OC wanted an equal job with another team.  Beat reporters reported that there was dissatisfaction in the Giants' coaching ranks.  On top of the coaches leaving, Daboll fired his ST coordinator and defensive position coaches.  Things got so bad last year that the GM took the unusual act of listening in on the coach's radio broadcasts to see what was going on.

Hard to say that wasn't a rebellion

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:05:57 PMDJ had less than a second and had to pull the ball down or risk a fumble or INT by being hit in the act of throwing


https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1855635186312007971

Robinson was open before DJ got the ball back.

Friggin stop it.  Jones had plenty of time to get the ball out to wide open receivers.  As usual took too long and he blew the play. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:05:57 PMDJ had less than a second and had to pull the ball down or risk a fumble or INT by being hit in the act of throwing


https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1855635186312007971

You just proved my point. At .03 seconds the defender is still clearly away from jones and he sees the WR open but he is indecisive and the rest is history. He had plenty of time. In the post game, what did Jones himself say about that play?

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 02:08:47 PMRobinson was open before DJ got the ball back.
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Exactly.  Drop back and throw the ball.  Jones nervously scans the field until yes finally guys get on him and the play is ruined.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:08:31 PMThe DC quit.  The OC wanted an equal job with another team.  Beat reporters reported that there was dissatisfaction in the Giants' coaching ranks.  On top of the coaches leaving, Daboll fired his ST coordinator and defensive position coaches.  Things got so bad last year that the GM took the unusual act of listening in on the coach's radio broadcasts to see what was going on.

Hard to say that wasn't a rebellion

Feel free to hold that over Daboll's head. I don't.

And I sure as hell don't miss the Big Baby.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 02:09:52 PMYou just proved my point. At .03 seconds the defender is still clearly away from jones and he sees the WR open but he is indecisive and the rest is history. He had plenty of time. In the post game, what did Jones himself say about that play?

He probably never looked at him; I suspect he was fixated on Nabers, which has been a long-standing problem.  DJ simply doesn't read defenses well. 

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 01:56:55 PMBesides play calling (I admit it is not what I would like but it is not the worst and it is serviceable if that makes any sense)....my issue is Daboll "judgement"...allowing kids to go right back on the field after the dumbass flags....not changing QBs...not playing starters in preseason (this team didn't look halfway decent until game 3-4 for a couple years in a row)...putting explosive players like Hyatt in the doghouse and not offering any sort of reason why...his awful judgement with kickers!!!...twice we have lost games because of a preexisting injury to a kicker.

These things to me are questionable judgement issues. I'm sure there are more but it's what I can think of off the top of my head for reasons to support his firing

When Parcells had issues with his kickers, which was nearly every season, he had a plan to deal with them.

Daboll has fallen on his sword for Gano on more than one occasion and questionably, in my opinion. Gano's first kick was as pathetic as they come, a slice to the right. It meant he didn't line his plant foot up correctly with respect to the ball. Make that kick and the game would have taken on a different look and feel.

Daboll's questionable calls are one thing, but Jones' execution, especially throwing behind his receivers all game, ended up killing two potential TD drives. There was one play he threw so far behind Johnson that the Carolina defender tipped the ball and deflected it right into Johnson's hands. Almost as if he drew that one up in the dirt!

Well, the team has officially achieved ugly baby status to where nobody will kiss it and the mother would be best served by devouring it as soon as possible.

Let's see if there are any Tisch sightings at 1925 The Giants Way in the coming days and weeks.

Peace!

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 02:06:46 PMYou have absolutely zero idea that "there is a good chance that another losing season exists."

There is the draft and free agency that will turn over the roster in key places. There may be more coaching changes. You have absolutely no idea. No one does.

Speculate all you want but don't pass it off as a likelihood. No. One. Knows.

The Giants have some serious needs

1)  franchise QB

2)  3-tech DT

3)  rotational edge or spend capital on Ojulari

4) The major issue with Thomas being injury-prone at LT is that they need a quality swing OT at the very least

5)  The Giants need a number one CB and likely a number 2 CB

6)  The Giants need a rotational DT

7)  The Giants need a backup QB

8) Van Roten was a one year deal and he is old so they need a starting RG as well

That is more needs than the team has draft capital and cap space to fill.  I do not see a realistic reason to believe 2025 will be a major improvement.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 02:11:01 PMFeel free to hold that over Daboll's head. I don't.

And I sure as hell don't miss the Big Baby.

I suspect Mich and thier 44th ranked scoring defense wishes he would have remained with the Giants.

Quote from: kartanoman on November 10, 2024, 02:13:36 PMWhen Parcells had issues with his kickers, which was nearly every season, he had a plan to deal with them.

Daboll has fallen on his sword for Gano on more than one occasion and questionably, in my opinion. Gano's first kick was as pathetic as they come, a slice to the right. It meant he didn't line his plant foot up correctly with respect to the ball. Make that kick and the game would have taken on a different look and feel.

Daboll's questionable calls are one thing, but Jones' execution, especially throwing behind his receivers all game, ended up killing two potential TD drives. There was one play he threw so far behind Johnson that the Carolina defender tipped the ball and deflected it right into Johnson's hands. Almost as if he drew that one up in the dirt!

Well, the team has officially achieved ugly baby status to where nobody will kiss it and the mother would be best served by devouring it as soon as possible.

Let's see if there are any Tisch sightings at 1925 The Giants Way in the coming days and weeks.

Peace!

Excellent synopsis. The ball that hit Tracy which was intercepted needs to be caught, but honestly it was a terrible throw behind him also as he was trying to adjust his body to the ball

Honestly, this much discussion over a single throw when he was wildly inaccurate all day is missing the point for me. The guy is an awful passer irrespective of any singular throw. Can't wait to be told Daboll said 5 weeks ago Jones is "locked in" and we'll use that to suggest he's playing winning football...

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:14:01 PMThe Giants have some serious needs

1)  franchise QB

2)  3-tech DT

3)  rotational edge or spend capital on Ojulari

4) The major issue with Thomas being injury-prone at LT is that they need a quality swing OT at the very least

5)  The Giants need a number one CB and likely a number 2 CB

6)  The Giants need a rotational DT

7)  The Giants need a backup QB

8) Van Roten was a one year deal and he is old so they need a starting RG as well

That is more needs than the team has draft capital and cap space to fill.  I do not see a realistic reason to believe 2025 will be a major improvement.

I don't think it's fair to say we don't have a backup QB when we saw Devito beat the Eagles last year and he ran the offense well and showed he can be a "spark"....dont forget, we cannot even count Devito 1st game (was it Dallas???) where he wasn't allowed to even basically throw the ball

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 10, 2024, 02:16:09 PMHonestly, this much discussion over a single throw when he was wildly inaccurate all day is missing the point for me. The guy is an awful passer irrespective of any singular throw. Can't wait to be told Daboll said 5 weeks ago Jones is "locked in" and we'll use that to suggest he's playing winning football...

If DJ was that terrible, why didn't Lock start the second half?

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 02:18:24 PMI don't think it's fair to say we don't have a backup QB when we saw Devito beat the Eagles last year and he ran the offense well and showed he can be a "spark"....dont forget, we cannot even count Devito 1st game (was it Dallas???) where he wasn't allowed to even basically throw the ball

Why hasn't a single NFL team tried to sign Devito off the practice squad?   There is a demand for quality backup QBs.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 10, 2024, 02:16:09 PMHonestly, this much discussion over a single throw when he was wildly inaccurate all day is missing the point for me. The guy is an awful passer irrespective of any singular throw. Can't wait to be told Daboll said 5 weeks ago Jones is "locked in" and we'll use that to suggest he's playing winning football...

Very good point. The inordinate focus on this one play and the debate as to how to precisely apportion blame for its failure obscures the fact that Jones was simply brutal for just about the entire game today. He had way too many throws that were easy throws to make but were badly off target. He also had two miserable turnovers that were both his fault and both in important situations.

This was also as easy a D as you're going to get to face in this league. That contextual point should not be overlooked either.

Jones was awful today and was painful to watch. I think he could have done better on the flea-flicker, but even if one wants to completely absolve him for not getting the ball out quicker on that play, that doesn't change the fact that he was, without question, the biggest single reason that they lost to what had, prior to today at least, been considered the worst team in football. Thanks to today's performance, that distinction now most likely belongs to us.