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The guy is sailing throws without a soul around him yet still makes excuses.  The bench isn't far enough away for Jones. 

Daniel Jones not seeing open receivers? Color me shocked.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 10, 2024, 01:54:28 PMDaniel Jones not seeing open receivers? Color me shocked.

One of the things Phil Simms talks about is how fans don't appreciate the challenge of a QB trying to see downfield when you have 6' 6" guys wrestling in front of you.  The vision isn't what you see from the booth or the TV; it's partially blocked.   You look at the play and you can see that there is a good chance DJ's view of the open receiver was blocked for the fraction of the second he needed to throw it before getting sacked.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:59:20 PMOne of the things Phil Simms talks about is how fans don't appreciate the challenge of a QB trying to see downfield when you have 6' 6" guys wrestling in front of you.  The vision isn't what you see from the booth or the TV; it's partially blocked.   You look at the play and you can see that there is a good chance DJ's view of the open receiver was blocked for the fraction of the second he needed to throw it before getting sacked.

Let's not forget the value guys like Madden, Manning, Brady place on "locking on recievers"...because jones clearly hurts our team when he does that. His refusal to even "work on it" in his drop back warmups (like Rodgers does) is most nauseating

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 02:23:12 PMLet's not forget the value guys like Madden, Manning, Brady place on "locking on recievers"...because jones clearly hurts our team when he does that. His refusal to even "work on it" in his drop back warmups (like Rodgers does) is most nauseating

A flea flicker is a deception play.  DJ doesn't need to "look off" a receiver when running it

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:25:01 PMA flea flicker is a deception play.  DJ doesn't need to "look off" a receiver when running it

I never said he did. I was referring to the point where I've been told here it is not as big of a thing as some announcers make it out to be. Yet simms says something and we are to accept it as the norm. Maybe he is right or maybe he isn't. I don't know.

Probably could have stopped at "couldn't see" Because it seems he can never see the open WRs.  He can see the first read just fine and he can throw it there constantly but "seeing" the coverage and "seeing " the WRs does not appear to be a skill he possesses.

Honestly I'd have preferred he just apologize to Nabers who I assume came up to him and said "you know I had a TD if you could actually throw a football right?"  Just apologize and move on.  Don't make excuses, don't blame the OL, just apologize for that and the many other TDs you've cost this young man this season.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 02:27:52 PMI never said he did. I was referring to the point where I've been told here it is not as big of a thing as some announcers make it out to be. Yet simms says something and we are to accept it as the norm. Maybe he is right or maybe he isn't. I don't know.

Actually, DJ said he couldn't see the open receivers.  I pointed out that Simms (who knows a bit about playing quarterback) said that most fans are unaware of the tall dancing men in front of quarterbacks and how that challenges quarterbacks' vision. 

Why wouldn't you believe Simms' comment about the line obstructing a QBs vision?  I have no reason to believe he was lying; it wasn't even involving a play; he wrote about it in his book, Sunday Morning Quarterback.

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 10, 2024, 02:31:53 PMProbably could have stopped at "couldn't see" Because it seems he can never see the open WRs.  He can see the first read just fine and he can throw it there constantly but "seeing" the coverage and "seeing " the WRs does not appear to be a skill he possesses.

Honestly I'd have preferred he just apologize to Nabers who I assume came up to him and said "you know I had a TD if you could actually throw a football right?"  Just apologize and move on.  Don't make excuses, don't blame the OL, just apologize for that and the many other TDs you've cost this young man this season.

Only it appears his first read was open

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:32:53 PMOnly it appears his first read was open

Which makes it even worse!

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 01:59:20 PMOne of the things Phil Simms talks about is how fans don't appreciate the challenge of a QB trying to see downfield when you have 6' 6" guys wrestling in front of you.  The vision isn't what you see from the booth or the TV; it's partially blocked.  You look at the play and you can see that there is a good chance DJ's view of the open receiver was blocked for the fraction of the second he needed to throw it before getting sacked.

There is more than a fraction of a second though. His ability to look downfield doesn't start when he has the ball in his hands. It starts as Tracy is running up the middle. And I'm sorry dude, but the argument here can't be that the linemen are too big to see over. He has to be able to see that.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on November 10, 2024, 02:42:19 PMThere is more than a fraction of a second though. His ability to look downfield doesn't start when he has the ball in his hands. It starts as Tracy is running up the middle. And I'm sorry dude, but the argument here can't be that the linemen are too big to see over. He has to be able to see that.

Count the time from when DJ gets the ball back in his hands until he pulls the ball down due to the impending sack.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 02:43:14 PMCount the time from when DJ gets the ball back in his hands until he pulls the ball down due to the impending sack.

I can't believe we are even debating this issue when there is video evidence, commentator evidence, coach and QB post game evidence, and WR who are open downfield emphatically calling for the ball evidence.

But by all means let's keep the conversation going. I look forward to the positive spin and positive Jones stats this week.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 02:46:53 PMI can't believe we are even debating this issue when there is video evidence, commentator evidence, coach and QB post game evidence, and WR who are open downfield emphatically calling for the ball evidence.

But by all means let's keep the conversation going. I look forward to the positive soon and positive Jones stats this week.

The coach said it was bad coaching

The QB said he didn't see the open receivers

The receiver said there was a lot going on in front of DJ

To be frank, I don't know what you are talking about