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Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:43:50 PMWarner was right to question DJ's accuracy but WRONG to give Tracey a free pass on a costly drop.

To be fair it was a half garbage pass behind tracy - like 98% of his passes seem to be

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 03:44:50 PMTo be fair it was a half garbage pass behind tracy - like 98% of his passes seem to be

So you don't expect a ball that hits a receiver in both hands to be caught? 

Do you ever watch other teams?  The good teams have receivers that routinely catch throws that are not perfect.

Isn't Bryce Young like 5"10 or 5'11 vs DJ at 6'5? He saw over the big dudes just fine

What about Kyler Murray?

OL or DL height making it hard to see is a new one for me, especially when a HoFer who also had to "see over" these guys is saying plays should be made, even making a halftime montage.

I don't agree that is a viable excuse for Jones' play

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 03:51:43 PMIsn't Bryce Young like 5"10 or 5'11 vs DJ at 6'5? He saw over the big dudes just fine

What about Kyler Murray?

OL or DL height making it hard to see is a new one for me, especially when a HoFer who also had to "see over" these guys is saying plays should be made, even making a halftime montage.

I don't agree that is a viable excuse for Jones' play

Don't forget the downside of a flea flicker is that the QB has to take his eyes off the field to look the ball into his hands then rescan the field.   When run properly, the defense is fooled enough that the QB has enough time to reacquire situational awareness (through the crowd of tall men fighting).  DJ had less than a second to do that.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:43:50 PMWarner was right to question DJ's accuracy but WRONG to give Tracey a free pass on a costly drop.

It wasn't a drop. It was a bad pass.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:53:51 PMDon't forget the downside of a flea flicker is that the QB has to take his eyes off the field to look the ball into his hands then rescan the field.  When run properly, the defense is fooled enough that the QB has enough time to reacquire situational awareness (through the crowd of tall men fighting).  DJ had less than a second to do that.

Idk, I get Daboll blamed himself for the play but that is coach speak, this same guy also said Jones was "locked in"

A locked in guy paid very handsomely should have been able to make the play.

The guys were open and he had enough time to get it out. It isn't like he reads defenses very often so he was ever likely to only throw to one place anyway.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:53:51 PMDon't forget the downside of a flea flicker is that the QB has to take his eyes off the field to look the ball into his hands then rescan the field.   When run properly, the defense is fooled enough that the QB has enough time to reacquire situational awareness (through the crowd of tall men fighting).  DJ had less than a second to do that.

Sounds like DJ is a little too slow to process the lightning speed necessary to play QB in the NFL.

We've seen plenty of plays that require less than a second decisions. It's yet another reason why we need to move on from him. He's mentally too slow for this game.

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 10, 2024, 04:00:08 PMIdk, I get Daboll blamed himself for the play but that is coach speak, this same guy also said Jones was "locked in"

A locked in guy paid very handsomely should have been able to make the play.

The guys were open and he had enough time to get it out. It isn't like he reads defenses very often so he was ever likely to only throw to one place anyway.

It's more fundamental than coach speak, it's leadership 101: "Praise in public, criticize in private."

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 04:01:45 PMSounds like DJ is a little too slow to process the lightning speed necessary to play QB in the NFL.

We've seen plenty of plays that require less than a second decisions. It's yet another reason why we need to move on from him. He's mentally too slow for this game.

DJ is definitely slow to scan/process... this is well known around the league and pretty much every objective QB guru has made this observation. It is probably the biggest reason for his consistent lack of success in the NFL. His physical attributes are actually quite good, which I suspect is why some are still reluctant to abandon the idea that he's going to be good, even six years in.

Quote from: T200 on November 10, 2024, 03:59:34 PMIt wasn't a drop. It was a bad pass.

Most in the NFL would call a pass that hits a receiver in both hands a drop

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:48:39 PMSo you don't expect a ball that hits a receiver in both hands to be caught? 

Do you ever watch other teams?  The good teams have receivers that routinely catch throws that are not perfect.

The issue is that with Jones it is much more frequent he throws behind receivers than leads them as opposed to other QBs. Don't you see this??

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:11:28 PMThere are more than enough plays to criticize Jones for. I am not going to give the HC a free pass, especially since he admitted fault for calling a flea flicker on 3rd and 1. He would have been better served with a play-action pass.

Nevermind that the play actually worked? And would have been a TD with a variety of other QBs? Or is the complaint calling that play knowing Jones couldn't possibly execute it properly which I would agree is valid criticism.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 04:13:17 PMThe issue is that with Jones it is much more frequent he throws behind receivers than leads them as opposed to other QBs. Don't you see this??

I made it clear that I saw the inaccuracy.  The only difference is you and Tim give receivers who get both hands on the ball and drop it a free pass

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 10, 2024, 04:14:30 PMNevermind that the play actually worked? And would have been a TD with a variety of other QBs? Or is the complaint calling that play knowing Jones couldn't possibly execute it properly which I would agree is valid criticism.

The facts (ie sack) show the play failed.  Only speculation suggests somehow it "worked"

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 04:13:12 PMMost in the NFL would call a pass that hits a receiver in both hands a drop

This isn't subjective, was it scored as a drop or not?