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Watching the replay the WR's are running across the field toward Jones' strong side on the same plane(opponents 37-38 yd line). That tells me that this play was planned and practiced. Jones should have known where to immediately look/throw by design.                Wandale was open by half an acre. The day was saved with the terds losing big at home, even if it was to the boids. The cow cookies are also 0 for home this year.   Then there is the jets. They may be in worse shape than us. That takes doing. It's imperative we stay ahead of them in the race to the bottom for draft purposes. Most likely they are looking for a QB as well. If they keep protecting Rodgers the way they are then one Sunday they will hold his retirement party on the field.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 10, 2024, 03:48:39 PMSo you don't expect a ball that hits a receiver in both hands to be caught? 

Do you ever watch other teams?  The good teams have receivers that routinely catch throws that are not perfect.

Mighty,

I agree with you here. The pass while slightly behind Tracy, hits Tracy in both of his hands. The issue was Tracy closed his hands prior to the ball being secured and he popped it up allowing the Panther defender to intercept the pass.

There were technically three turnovers by Tracy today. He fumbled one, he fumbled another that went out of bounds, and he bobbled the pass which led to the turnover.

Moving forward he can't play like that anymore, hopefully he learns

Quote from: sxdxca38 on November 10, 2024, 10:38:51 PMMighty,

I agree with you here. The pass while slightly behind Tracy, hits Tracy in both of his hands. The issue was Tracy closed his hands prior to the ball being secured and he popped it up allowing the Panther defender to intercept the pass.

There were technically three turnovers by Tracy today. He fumbled one, he fumbled another that went out of bounds, and he bobbled the pass which led to the turnover.

Moving forward he can't play like that anymore, hopefully he learns

Bull crap!...I'm so tired of all the BS excuses!...Jones rarely "leads" a receiver and SO many balls are caught while recievers are making sliding or jump catches. Never in stride. Ever. The pass to Tracy sucked. He had to turn and twist and the ball wasn't easy as it should be. Also I'll say it finally - Jones throws too many balls "late" which allows defenders to be on top of our recievers. It's ridiculous. He's done. It's time to accept it after 6 years. Let's pray the next QB doesn't have such a leash.

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:46:09 PMBull crap!...I'm so tired of all the BS excuses!...Jones rarely "leads" a receiver and SO many balls are caught while recievers are making sliding or jump catches. Never in stride. Ever. The pass to Tracy sucked. He had to turn and twist and the ball wasn't easy as it should be. Also I'll say it finally - Jones throws too many balls "late" which allows defenders to be on top of our recievers. It's ridiculous. He's done. It's time to accept it after 6 years. Let's pray the next QB doesn't have such a leash.

Trench,

My comment had nothing to do with whether DJ stays here or not, I was just referencing that one play, where Tracy did get his hands on the ball, and every coach teaches that if the receiver gets his hands on the ball, he needs to make the catch, this is football 101.

On another note, you're getting too worked up, we are just discussing football man. As far as his other passes in the game, there were more than a few that were either behind the WR, or just missed entirely, I think everyone can see that.

Don't worry, you may end up getting your wish as the Giants may be selecting their next QB in the upcoming draft.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on November 10, 2024, 11:16:21 PMTrench,

My comment had nothing to do with whether DJ stays here or not, I was just referencing that one play, where Tracy did get his hands on the ball, and every coach teaches that if the receiver gets his hands on the ball, he needs to make the catch, this is football 101.

On another note, you're getting too worked up, we are just discussing football man. As far as his other passes in the game, there were more than a few that were either behind the WR, or just missed entirely, I think everyone can see that.

Don't worry, you may end up getting your wish as the Giants may be selecting their next QB in the upcoming draft.

I've just never seen someone get so many chances or excuses is all.

It's weird that so much energy is being expended in trying to excuse the failed flea flicker play and deflect blame away from Jones even though he had wide open guys downfield. Who really cares at this point? No matter how you apportion blame for that play, the indisputable fact remains that Jones was AWFUL yesterday regardless, period. He is the single biggest reason they lost to the worst team in football. He is the single biggest reason the Giants probably ARE the worst team in football. His season has been awful.

And more to the point I don't know why we're still talking endlessly about this player in any capacity. With the exception of maybe one poster who hasn't chimed in today, even the most ardent defenders of this guy have capitulated, because we all know the end game here.

The Daniel Jones era on the NY Giants is finally, mercifully coming to an end. He failed.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 11, 2024, 05:11:03 AMIt's weird that so much energy is being expended in trying to excuse the failed flea flicker play and deflect blame away from Jones even though he had wide open guys downfield. Who really cares at this point? No matter how you apportion blame for that play, the indisputable fact remains that Jones was AWFUL yesterday regardless, period. He is the single biggest reason they lost to the worst team in football. He is the single biggest reason the Giants probably ARE the worst team in football. His season has been awful.

And more to the point I don't know why we're still talking endlessly about this player in any capacity. With the exception of maybe one poster who hasn't chimed in today, even the most ardent defenders of this guy have capitulated, because we all know the end game here.

The Daniel Jones era on the NY Giants is finally, mercifully coming to an end. He failed.

I think what we saw yesterday was the problem with hyperfocus on Daniel Jones.  Even when a coach admits he screws up some people are still trying to pin all the blame on Jones.   Even when a receiver drops the ball, they are given a free pass because Daniel Jones threw the pass.

The reality is this is likely Jones' last season, and there is a good chance that he will his last game.   Hyperfocusing on Jones at this point, only serves to hide all the other very real problems with this team.  If all the serious flaws are ignored, we are all going to be disappointed when the team adds a new QB and still sucks.   

I thought Daboll said Jones is locked in? Is that no longer the case? Cause he did say that as well

It is all coach speak, he doesn't truly believe it is his fault, his reaction during the game tells the whole story

The problem is not what he couldn't see or whether it was a good play call.

In that situation, Jones' job one was to AVOID a sack.

The situation was short yardage. Taking a sack eliminated their chance to go for it on fourth down.

Bob

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 11:22:31 PMI've just never seen someone get so many chances or excuses is all.

My friend, you and I should have been pals back in 1988 when Kenny Hill knocked out Mark Collins who was trying to catch Jerry Rice on that miracle play where the 49ers came back and took one back from the Giants who actually took it from the 49ers that day.

The yelling and screaming at Collins and Hill lasted 20 years!!! The play still haunts me, but nowhere near as bad as it once did.

This, too, shall pass.

Hang in there!

Peace!

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 11, 2024, 07:49:58 AMI thought Daboll said Jones is locked in? Is that no longer the case? Cause he did say that as well

It is all coach speak, he doesn't truly believe it is his fault, his reaction during the game tells the whole story

What exactly does "locked in" mean?  How do we measure "locked in"?

Coaches deploy different tactics for different personalities of players. They also use different approaches at different times with the same player 

QB was Jones's job to lose. No competition was brought in at all, period.  Outside of injury no one else was being given reps on game day as management needed a clear understanding of what they had and what they didn't have in Jones, so Mara could clearly see the 22 mill payout to cut ties was a good deal.

As such providing positive messages for a player who lacks confidence was a smart approach. Jones was playing average / slightly above average ball and building him up was the only reasonable  approach 

As development started to go backwards and the signs showed taking the next developmental step was less likely the coaches comments were not as uplifting 

What and when Daboll made his comments aren't odd or out of line



 

Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 10:46:09 PMBull crap!...I'm so tired of all the BS excuses!...Jones rarely "leads" a receiver and SO many balls are caught while recievers are making sliding or jump catches. Never in stride. Ever. The pass to Tracy sucked. He had to turn and twist and the ball wasn't easy as it should be. Also I'll say it finally - Jones throws too many balls "late" which allows defenders to be on top of our recievers. It's ridiculous. He's done. It's time to accept it after 6 years. Let's pray the next QB doesn't have such a leash.

@T200

I have a hard time understanding how you could claim this wasn't a drop

Quote from: babywhales on November 11, 2024, 09:19:06 AMCoaches deploy different tactics for different personalities of players. They also use different approaches at different times with the same player

QB was Jones's job to lose. No competition was brought in at all, period.  Outside of injury no one else was being given reps on game day as management needed a clear understanding of what they had and what they didn't have in Jones, so Mara could clearly see the 22 mill payout to cut ties was a good deal.

As such providing positive messages for a player who lacks confidence was a smart approach. Jones was playing average / slightly above average ball and building him up was the only reasonable  approach

As development started to go backwards and the signs showed taking the next developmental step was less likely the coaches comments were not as uplifting

What and when Daboll made his comments aren't odd or out of line

QBs going backwards in their development is common in Daboll's career

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Quote from: MightyGiants on November 11, 2024, 09:19:28 AM@T200

I have a hard time understanding how you could claim this wasn't a drop

Do you have a link to the video of that play?