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Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on November 26, 2024, 09:41:02 PMSchoen might not be around to make that selection especially if the Giants end their season 2-15. The fans would go ballistic if Daboll and Schoen were retained especially after they  made probably the worst blunder in Giant's history- paying Daniel Jones $40 million and not retaining Saquon Barkly .

Maybe trading Sam Huff to the Redskins was worse but it is close !!!

I think you are overestimating how much the fans will be upset for 2-15 vs 5-12.  Almost every fan I know wants them to lose out. I think some are also overestimating how much mara values 5-12 vs 2-15.

With our draft luck and history, we get the second pick and while the first pick is on the clock, some team trades up and swipes Sanders right out from under our nose. 

A match made in heaven 


The Giants have given up the most sacks in the NFL over the past two seasons (119).

Shedeur Sanders is the most sacked QB in college football over the past two seasons (84).

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 27, 2024, 08:34:27 AMA match made in heaven 


The Giants have given up the most sacks in the NFL over the past two seasons (119).

Shedeur Sanders is the most sacked QB in college football over the past two seasons (84).

Exactly Rich, it should be a football decision. He has a rep for holding the ball too long. Too bad there won't be a bowl game. But the kid has talent and he's an excellent QB prospect. Smooth as silk.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 27, 2024, 04:24:32 AMHave you met Shedeur Sanders? Apart from the shoving incident, why do you think he's such a bad guy? If memory serves (correct me if I'm wrong obviously) you were making statements like this before the shoving incident too, so I'm curious why you think he's such a bad character.

As for his father, last I checked he has a full time job during the fall, some 1700 miles away. If he makes some comments on social media or in a podcast interview, is that really a reason to not draft the best QB in this class when we desperately need a QB?

There's a 12-page thread about what a bad look it is for Nabers to be throwing his coaches / team under the bus in the media and how folks are now questioning him and his fit for this team.

Sanders has routinely thrown his OL and running backs under the bus to the media, on social media, etc. Do you not think that's an issue? Do you not think that would continue should he struggle in the NFL?

Beyond throwing teammates under the bus, he has never once taken accountability and has no identifiable leadership qualities. Again, you can find another long thread on the board about this team's lack of leaders. Is the type of "leader" we want at the most important position?

And sorry, I can't ignore "Apart from shoving the ref ..." It's not like he was actively fighting someone and the ref getting pushed was collateral damage. He intentionally pushed the ref, and another official. For someone whose brand already screams entitlement, this type of behavior is unacceptable.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 27, 2024, 10:27:03 AMThere's a 12-page thread about what a bad look it is for Nabers to be throwing his coaches / team under the bus in the media and how folks are now questioning him and his fit for this team.

Sanders has routinely thrown his OL and running backs under the bus to the media, on social media, etc. Do you not think that's an issue? Do you not think that would continue should he struggle in the NFL?

Beyond throwing teammates under the bus, he has never once taken accountability and has no identifiable leadership qualities. Again, you can find another long thread on the board about this team's lack of leaders. Is the type of "leader" we want at the most important position?

And sorry, I can't ignore "Apart from shoving the ref ..." It's not like he was actively fighting someone and the ref getting pushed was collateral damage. He intentionally pushed the ref, and another official. For someone whose brand already screams entitlement, this type of behavior is unacceptable.

Do you have a source for these claims of throwing teammates under the bus?

I am just curious, since I haven't heard of this previously. You also stated "Beyond throwing teammates under the bus", what else have you seen that makes you come to the conclusion of accountability and lacking leadership qualities? I'm genuinely curious, as these would be things to consider. 

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 27, 2024, 10:57:07 AMDo you have a source for these claims of throwing teammates under the bus?

I am just curious, since I haven't heard of this previously. You also stated "Beyond throwing teammates under the bus", what else have you seen that makes you come to the conclusion of accountability and lacking leadership qualities? I'm genuinely curious, as these would be things to consider. 

https://amp.marca.com/en/ncaa/2024/09/09/66de1291ca47413a518b4582.html

In one fell swoop, he walked out on his team before a game was over because he was sulking, he threw his freshman WR under the bus, and then he did the same to his OL and his running backs.

A leader would have taken accountability and accepted blame for the INT whether it was his fault or not. Instead, he blamed his teammate.

And then there's his constant social
media focus on his NFL prospects, even while his current team is losing to unranked teams like Kansas.

Someone focused on greener pastures at the precise moment when his current team needs him most shows me he only concerned with one thing: himself.

I would implore anyone to look at all the evidence at hand regarding his leadership and accountability. Stats in the field are important, for sure, but being a leader, a good teammate, and a coachable and accountable individual are equally important - especially when dealing with a franchise QB.

And while Sanders' stats might rank him as a top prospect, he measures across the rest as a bottom of the barrel washout.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 27, 2024, 10:27:03 AMThere's a 12-page thread about what a bad look it is for Nabers to be throwing his coaches / team under the bus in the media and how folks are now questioning him and his fit for this team.

Sanders has routinely thrown his OL and running backs under the bus to the media, on social media, etc. Do you not think that's an issue? Do you not think that would continue should he struggle in the NFL?

Beyond throwing teammates under the bus, he has never once taken accountability and has no identifiable leadership qualities. Again, you can find another long thread on the board about this team's lack of leaders. Is the type of "leader" we want at the most important position?

And sorry, I can't ignore "Apart from shoving the ref ..." It's not like he was actively fighting someone and the ref getting pushed was collateral damage. He intentionally pushed the ref, and another official. For someone whose brand already screams entitlement, this type of behavior is unacceptable.

I didn't ask you to ignore the ref shoving incident. Obviously that's a black mark. I would add that for some reason the refs didn't really see it as negatively a you did, as he wasn't ejected for it. I wouldn't quite call it a true "shove", but I'm certainly not excusing it either. It should not have happened.

I wasn't aware that he had trashed his teammates. If that's the case then I agree with you. I have watched him play a number of times and have been impressed, but I haven't done tons of other research on him to this point so I hadn't been aware of it. Thanks for illuminating this a bit more.

I watched the clip where he supposedly "trashed" his teammates. Guess what? Turns out he didn't trash his teammates.

If his last name wasn't Sanders, and his dad wasn't so disliked by conservative fans, nobody would be talking about his "issues", which aren't real issues.

Shoving the ref? He wasn't ejected or even punished after the game because it was clear at the moment that he wasn't intentionally pushing a ref.

It's going to be so cool when this team loses out on a potential franchise QB because of such incredible nonsense based on nothing but perceptions, preconceptions, and prejudices.

I appreciate that I might be reading into things, but I found it interesting that it was more than Joe Schoen making the trip.   You had assistant GM Brandon Brown, Mara's nephew Tim McDonnell, and, according to Pat Leonard, you also had Jessie Armstead.

That is a pretty big contingent for just a practice. Could the Giants be hedging their bets and ensuring they don't lose critical information if Schoen is no longer the GM?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 27, 2024, 10:27:03 AMThere's a 12-page thread about what a bad look it is for Nabers to be throwing his coaches / team under the bus in the media and how folks are now questioning him and his fit for this team.

Sanders has routinely thrown his OL and running backs under the bus to the media, on social media, etc. Do you not think that's an issue? Do you not think that would continue should he struggle in the NFL?

Beyond throwing teammates under the bus, he has never once taken accountability and has no identifiable leadership qualities. Again, you can find another long thread on the board about this team's lack of leaders. Is the type of "leader" we want at the most important position?

And sorry, I can't ignore "Apart from shoving the ref ..." It's not like he was actively fighting someone and the ref getting pushed was collateral damage. He intentionally pushed the ref, and another official. For someone whose brand already screams entitlement, this type of behavior is unacceptable.

Last year he got sacked like 60+ times.  He said nothing.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 27, 2024, 02:22:46 PMLast year he got sacked like 60+ times.  He said nothing.

Good point.

I also think Deion is likely stricter as a father than some here might. Just because someone is flashy and cocky does not mean he is undisciplined or unprofessional. I don't mind a bit of cockiness in athletes assuming they can back it up, which Deion always could in droves. I do mind lack of discipline or lack of professionalism. I also don't like bad teammates, so if the reports of this kid trashing his teammates is accurate, then that is a bit of an evaluative game changer for me. A one-off mild collision with the refs that didn't even result in an ejection, while not ideal, is not nearly as big a needle mover for me.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 27, 2024, 01:57:14 PMI watched the clip where he supposedly "trashed" his teammates. Guess what? Turns out he didn't trash his teammates.

If his last name wasn't Sanders, and his dad wasn't so disliked by conservative fans, nobody would be talking about his "issues", which aren't real issues.

Shoving the ref? He wasn't ejected or even punished after the game because it was clear at the moment that he wasn't intentionally pushing a ref.

It's going to be so cool when this team loses out on a potential franchise QB because of such incredible nonsense based on nothing but perceptions, preconceptions, and prejudices.

"I wasn't protected like I needed to be. The O-line just didn't give me the time to make plays,"Sanders remarked, a statement that quickly drew attention from fans and analysts alike.

"It was a rookie mistake on his part. He ran the wrong route."

"I mean, how many times did (Nebraska QB Dylan) Raiola get touched?" Sanders asked reporters after the game. "Of course, whenever you're able to run the ball consistently, then it opens up the pass... you know? But you got to understand what your team's good at. Why would we keep running the ball when we get out there and there's a must-get situation and we don't get it?"

Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 27, 2024, 01:57:14 PMIf his last name wasn't Sanders, and his dad wasn't so disliked by conservative fans, nobody would be talking about his "issues", which aren't real issues.

 

It's going to be so cool when this team loses out on a potential franchise QB because of such incredible nonsense based on nothing but perceptions, preconceptions, and prejudices.

I am curious, Dion himself is a minister and conservative, NO? Why is he hated by conservative fans?!!

Quote from: Stringer Bell on November 27, 2024, 04:02:51 PM"I wasn't protected like I needed to be. The O-line just didn't give me the time to make plays,"Sanders remarked, a statement that quickly drew attention from fans and analysts alike.

"It was a rookie mistake on his part. He ran the wrong route."

"I mean, how many times did (Nebraska QB Dylan) Raiola get touched?" Sanders asked reporters after the game. "Of course, whenever you're able to run the ball consistently, then it opens up the pass... you know? But you got to understand what your team's good at. Why would we keep running the ball when we get out there and there's a must-get situation and we don't get it?"

Maybe you have a different definition for "trashing your teammates" than I do. I don't see anything in there that bothers me. Also, he's not wrong.

Listen, I know it's probable the Giants won't draft him. But that's because they're idiots.