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Licata and Tierney coming to Skinner's defense on WFAN this morning. Horrible look for the Giants PR. Very James Dolan-esq.

Quote from: Painter on December 17, 2024, 11:58:39 AMGiven the unfavorable circumstances inherited by Schoen/Daboll as consequence of the late-stage failures of Jerry Reese and subsequent ineptitude of Mara/Gettleman in respect of both personnel and Cap management underscored and epitomized by the "Daniel Jones Trap", I feel it would be rash and indeed premature to replace Joe Schoen as GM.

Despite the disgrace which otherwise has accompanied this season, Schoen now has performed admirably well in having had a well above average 2024 Draft with at least $40 million in effective cap space heading into next season and more than twice as much in 2026. There is no way I can dismiss such accomplishment and not begin to feel more optimistic about the future.

While Schoen and Daboll may appear to have come to the Giants joined at the hip, I have no idea whether that will influence Mara's decision regarding one or the other or both. I would instead hope it would be decision left for Joe Schoen to make.

Cheers! 

Really great points, Larry.

Didn't Bobby say in preseason that roster was significantly upgraded talent wise?

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 17, 2024, 09:23:24 AMFrom Bill Walsh's book

A "great" book! A "must read" for all football coaches.

Peace!

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 17, 2024, 10:03:48 AMNYPost_Schwartz
No package deal.  Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll came in together on five-year contracts.  This does not mean they will stay together.  A split could be the works as the response to this terrible season.

Joe Schoen, Brian Daboll fates don't have to be a Giants package deal
By Paul Schwartz
Published Dec. 16, 2024, 6:33 p.m. ET

Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll came in together, both on five-year contracts. This does not mean they must or will go out together.

There is no doubt co-owner John Mara envisioned these two, hired in 2022, alongside each other for years to come, returning the Giants to their glory days, friends who worked together in Buffalo in assistant roles hitting a grander stage, with promotions and a bond that would be unshakeable. This vision grew even more vibrant after the debut season produced the first playoff victory in 11 years.

That vision is now quite blurry.

There is no rift between Schoen and Daboll. By all accounts, their behind-the-scenes relationship remains strong. They speak every day. There are honest conversations. There are the usual front office-coaching staff disagreements as to how the personnel is utilized, but Schoen is a believer in supporting the head coach, because the coach is the one in all the meetings and he knows the players better than the general manager knows them.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/sports/joe-schoen-brian-daboll-fates-dont-have-to-be-a-giants-package-deal/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Rich, is there anywhere in the article where it states that the Giants are "Floating the idea of firing Daboll but keeping Schoen?

Quote from: TDToomer on December 17, 2024, 10:01:12 AMOne good season which he had little say on the roster that was already in place when he arrived. He turned the Jags into a dumpster fire and alienated the players into a near mutiny. He soiled his reputation as a front office executive. No other teams have considered bringing him into their brass in any role since he was fired.

Guys. Coughlin's football career is over. No more nostalgia. Anyone who has seen or heard him recently knows this well. Move on. Let the man enjoy the rest of his golden years. Since his beloved wife Judy died, he is spending most of his time with his grandchildren.

So dumb. So hapless. So hopeless. So Mara.

After reading through this thread, I'm surprised that I haven't bitten off all of my tongue. Still not as surprised as I am disappointed by the extent of the sort-sighted ignorance directed toward Joe Schoen. Yikes! At least, it might put an end to the Mara-blaming by those same. Ya think?

Cheers!

https://x.com/stevepoliti/status/1869103018228306229?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: kartanoman on December 17, 2024, 01:56:16 PMA "great" book! A "must read" for all football coaches.

Peace!

That first part is interesting, because this owner did not make it in business. The Giants are his business.

I think they're opposite sides of the same coin. Daboll did an excellent job his first year but has struggled mightily, whereas Schoen had awful years his first two on the job but did a really nice job this past offseason. I am reluctant to blame his first two free agent classes as we were in cap purgatory when he was hired. His first two draft classes were really bad.

Quote from: madbadger on December 17, 2024, 04:08:06 PMI think they're opposite sides of the same coin. Daboll did an excellent job his first year but has struggled mightily, whereas Schoen had awful years his first two on the job but did a really nice job this past offseason. I am reluctant to blame his first two free agent classes as we were in cap purgatory when he was hired. His first two draft classes were really bad.

Schoen wasn't able to keep his best players. His roster now is worse than the one he inherited from the godawful Gettleman. It's not just the drafts. He's been a complete failure!

The loss of Julian Love was a massive beginning of poor decisions for this franchise.

He was a huge part of the leadership not only in the secondary but on the team in general. I said it when he left this was going to be a huge loss. The defense had a totally different look with him.

Quote from: Trench on December 17, 2024, 04:32:35 PMThe loss of Julian Love was a massive beginning of poor decisions for this franchise.

He was a huge part of the leadership not only in the secondary but on the team in general. I said it when he left this was going to be a huge loss. The defense had a totally different look with him.

He was glue that held the defense together, I'd argue he was the most impactful loss between the several they let go.

https://x.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1869159569492169154?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ