Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2024, 03:52:31 PMMe too.

Frankly I hope they (whoever "they" ultimately are) take a QB they are very high on. I'll be a little bummed if they don't take a QB, although I still don't think they should take one that they're meh on just because they feel like they have no choice.

How do you feel about the rankings? What if between the combine and draft day, another QB's stock rises and they're graded higher than Ward and Sanders, but the Giants still take either Ward or Sanders? Are you swayed by the rankings?

Quote from: uconnjack8 on December 25, 2024, 03:33:17 PMI don't think you can say how much you can get for the #6 pick without knowing who is on the board and who is interested in trading up.  The further back a team is the more they have to trade to move to 6. 

True it is hard to say exactly what we can get, but at 6 we will get a player who could/should be elite at that position.


Top 3 off the board: In no particular order


Cam Ward, QB


Travis Hunter, CB/WR


Shedeur Sanders, QB




That leaves some very good players:


Will Campbell, OT

Will Johnson, CB

Abdul Carter, Edge

Mason Graham, DT

Kelvin Banks Jr., OT/OG

Malaki Starks, S



One of these guys should be there even if we drop to pick 9. Glaring needs everywhere, I would be happy with any of them, plus added draft picks with the trade down.

Quote from: T200 on December 25, 2024, 04:02:17 PMHow do you feel about the rankings? What if between the combine and draft day, another QB's stock rises and they're graded higher than Ward and Sanders, but the Giants still take either Ward or Sanders? Are you swayed by the rankings?

Not really. I think predicting which college QBs will be good pros is one of the hardest things to do in sports. GMs get it wildly wrong all the time, and that includes reputable GMs and GMs with good franchises. For any fan with no professional football-related experience to think his opinion is likely to be more accurate than that of an NFL front office is silly (to put it politely). Like everyone else, I have opinions, but I have been wrong plenty of times.

So to answer the question, no, I really don't care what the rankings and pundits say. I want our front office team to come up with their own opinion after a lot of due diligence, and just go with that (including if that means not taking any QB). If that means sticking with a Shedeur or Ward after some other guy shoots up in the rankings based on the combine or a CFP performance, so be it. I'm not that swayed by that stuff. That happened with Zack Wilson a few years ago, and we all know how that worked out.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2024, 04:27:12 PMNot really. I think predicting which college QBs will be good pros is one of the hardest things to do in sports. GMs get it wildly wrong all the time, and that includes reputable GMs and GMs with good franchises. For any fan with no professional football-related experience to think his opinion is likely to be more accurate than that of an NFL front office is silly (to put it politely). Like everyone else, I have opinions, but I have been wrong plenty of times.

So to answer the question, no, I really don't care what the rankings and pundits say. I want our front office team to come up with their own opinion after a lot of due diligence, and just go with that (including if that means not taking any QB). If that means sticking with a Shedeur or Ward after some other guy shoots up in the rankings based on the combine or a CFP performance, so be it. I'm not that swayed by that stuff. That happened with Zack Wilson a few years ago, and we all know how that worked out.

Well said. We're in the same boat.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 25, 2024, 02:50:00 PMI know there are charts explaining the compensation between teams that trade picks. But if a team really wants a pedicular player, then I believe terms can and will be adjusted. Looks as though Sanders and Ward are the consensus top two QBs in this draft. I am not a fan of any QB in this year's draft and certainly not with the #1 pick.

There are several players I would love to have that are not QBs. I am in the camp that says get the best player available, get a temporary QB for 2025 and part or 2026 and build the team and add much needed depth.


It's been plastered on the web, that there is a love affair between the Raiders and Shedeur Sanders, a very mutual interest in each other. I have recently seen articles showing the Raiders trading up to # 3 to get there man. Assuming the Giants take Ward and pick #2 goes to Travis Hunter and the team that picks 3rd trades with the Raiders.



So why not give the Raiders what they seem to want really bad? We have the pick they need; we have the pick that would guarantee they get there man. I don't get a sense there is another team salivating for Ward.


Speaking of Ward, I read this about him.


Cam Ward would've likely been no better than QB5 in last year's draft class, but he's QB1 in 2024. Teams had a late Day 2/Day 3 grade on him over the summer, but he's made big strides this season; he's playing more from the pocket, he's getting the ball out on time and he's doing a better job of getting through his reads. We know about the athleticism and arm strength, but he's gotten better each year he's been in college, too.


Ask yourself; where would Ward have been drafted if he came out last year? I don't think he cracks the top 5 picks. More than likely he goes pick 6 thru 14. Yet we are possibly poised to take him with our #1.


So, I can ask the same question. Where would Sanders have gone if he were to have come out last year?


Good luck finding someone tougher than Shedeur Sanders. He'll stand in the pocket and take hit (after hit after hit) to make a play downfield. He's not the athlete and doesn't have the arm strength of Cam Ward, but he does a lot of things really well. I would like to see him play on time more consistently, but part of that has to do with Colorado's inconsistent offensive line.

Same answer: I don't think he cracks the top 5 picks. More than likely he goes pick 6 thru 14. Yet we are possibly poised to take him with our #1.


What could a desperate team be willing to give up to trade with the Giants?


Two games left to go, so the draft order could change, but I dont see drastic movements as it pertains to the order.


Currently its


4-Titans

5-Browns

6-Raiders

8-Jets

10-Saints

There could be others, but I think the Panthers stick with Young and Colts stick with Richardson.


If we stay in the top 10 there are multiple options


Kelvin Banks Jr would be a good tackle, Mason Graham on the D-line, Abdul Carter a monster EDGE, Will Johnson a much-needed CB and Malaki Starks a safety that can line up anywhere in the secondary

So what do you think the Giants could squeeze out from a Raider/Giant swap in the draft?

You've got my vote covered above in boldface. There's a good chance he'll be available at picks four (4) through six (6) and I think that's far enough down to get them the other team's #1 for 2026, in addition to some others.

Peace!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 25, 2024, 03:06:13 PMWhat if they're not high on any of these QBs? What if they're just lukewarm/meh on the QBs but love other players? Should they force a QB pick? Or sign a free agent QB and draft an elite position player they love?

Absolutely NOT! They can move down enough to get a red to potential blue-chip player, another QB in the draft at a lower pick, or sign a "bridge" QB for two to three years. Moving down to #4 and lower "should" get them a #1 pick for 2026 which is really where we want this thing to go, since that class is expected to yield a strong draft class. They should also receive some additional picks which will depend on how far down they move.

They need talent and if they can get the picks to draft the talent, you do it and build the roster. Plenty of needs but BPAs are fine as well.

Improve the talent base! It currently is among the weakest in the league. So, take the picks and improve it!

Peace!

A trade down to #6 should also net a 2025 3rd and 2026 1st, at a minimum.

If the Raiders are truly desperate to land Sanders, then they should force them to give up their 2025 2nd instead of the 3rd.

With the top 3 locked in and the likelihood that Graham goes in the top 5, they should have their pick of Johnson, Carter or Banks. And that's the order I would select them.

If they get Johnson or Carter, there are a couple OTs that are projected in early 2nd - I like Williams from Texas or Milum from W.Va.

Then with 2 3rds, I'd go with Kennard (if they go CB in 1) or Burke (if they go edge in 1) and then take Judkins to pair with Tracy as a thunder and lightning duo.

1 - Johnson, 2 - Milum, 3a - Kennard, and 3b - Judkins would be a very good draft. Johnson instantly becomes our top CB. Milum as a plug-and-play starter at RT. Kennard as Ojulari replacement and situational pass rusher. And Judkins as a perfect compliment to Tracy (and I could see him being a bellcow at some point).

Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 25, 2024, 03:31:09 PMOk then. WHERE do you think Ward or Saunders would have been drafted if they came out last year? I still think Maye, Williams and Daniels would have been drafted as the first three QBs off the board, yet we are debating who to take with the #1 overall pick in this upcoming draft? Joe Scheon has a history of drafting as a need rather than BPA. Is Saunders or Ward franchise QBs? To me the answer is no, taking one in this draft is yet again drafting for need.

Based on how I liked the QBs this year before the season started, and how I like the upcoming QBs, here is how I would rank them personally.

Daniels
Williams
Sanders
Maye
Ward
Nix
Penix
McCarthy

Again, as prospects, based on how I felt about them before they took an NFL snap. I think Shedeur is as good and has as much potential of any of these guys except Daniels, who I wanted to somehow come here very badly I believed he was going to be special.

Nix might prove me wrong in time, but as prospects I am much higher on Ward. Nix has been great this year obviously, would he have been a fit here? I do not know. I always felt McCarthy was overrated, and Penix injury history and such scared me.