Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on December 31, 2024, 11:21:37 AMWas the opening day debacle all on Jones? Daboll's lack of preparation had nothing to do with it. While O'Connell had his team ready to play on the road. I was the biggest Jones basher here but to ignore all the other issues is blindness.

I don't know why this is being said when no one does that. 

Quote from: katkavage on December 31, 2024, 11:21:37 AMWas the opening day debacle all on Jones? Daboll's lack of preparation had nothing to do with it. While O'Connell had his team ready to play on the road. I was the biggest Jones basher here but to ignore all the other issues is blindness.

Are we talking about a 3 year trajectory, and things behind it all, or are we talking about a single game from Week 1? Which is it?

Or is this just veiled shots at Daboll? It seems everyone has been on topic before this post. No one even mentioned the week 1 game before you, so to falsely accuse people of excusing anything (or not) is ludicrous.

Quote from: T200 on December 31, 2024, 11:25:50 AMI don't know why this is being said when no one does that. 

If you don't support the firing of Daboll and/or Schoen, you instantly dismiss everything, even that of which is unsaid by yourself or others, thought you knew that     

Quote from: MrGap92 on December 31, 2024, 11:30:25 AMIf you don't support the firing of Daboll and/or Schoen, you instantly dismiss everything, even that of which is unsaid by yourself or others, thought you knew that     

Oh... consider me aware now. 

The difference was correcting a mistake, biting the bullet and dumping Cousins. Atlanta then went and made the same mistake. They have to carry him another year.

By moving on From Cousins they stepped in xxxx with Darnold and drafted JJ.

Darnold has been nothing short of spectacular.

Detroit is another example of turning a team around. All that said, both teams have a winning culture. The HCs made the difference. Look at all the injuries Detroit has and is still winning.

It should be a great game this weekend.

Yes, it's about QB play for sure. Even so, we should never underestimate the role of chance in that regard. All credit to Eli Manning, who was lucky enough to never miss a single start due to injury in his 248 total games played. And even more so, for despite a 117-117 Regular Season Career QBRec, he is now HOF-worthy for not once but twice wildcarding his way to a Lombardi Trophy MVP not to mention beating the once 18-0 GOAT twice. Predictable, even slightly, was it?

Along those lines, it was absolutely predictable that Gettleman would eschew Sam Darnold as Eli's successor in favor of his "gold jacket" RB Saquon Barkley. And until right now, that looked like a no brainer. But, 7 years and 4 teams later, Darnold has already won more games this year than Eli's best season. But how much will that matter as he and the Vikings approach their Brady...I mean Mahomes...moment, or in the future with a big bucks multiyear payout which the Vikes can well-afford. Quien sabe?

Attribute it to Twin Cities Oh Ya! Wisdom, if you like, but Darnold was Buono fortuna...unless you are Italian in which case, Il boca al Lupo would be better said. In any case, in the NFL, Not For Long applies every bit as much to GMs and especially to HCs. It always comes down to what have you done for, or to me, lately, and who can I blame?

Forget the Vikings and the three other teams that proceeded them. Had Gettleman taken Darnold, do we really think either one of their histories would have been any different. I suppose Darnold would have lasted longer with the Giants, much as was the case with Daniel Jones.

That brings us back to the reality that whatever you "traject"/project, unless you get above average performance at QB, you are likely to get below average performance overall. And never underestimate the role of chance/luck/fortune in that regard, nor where credit and blame are to follow.

Quote from: Painter on December 31, 2024, 01:46:25 PMYes, it's about QB play for sure. Even so, we should never underestimate the role of chance in that regard. All credit to Eli Manning, who was lucky enough to never miss a single start due to injury in his 248 total games played. And even more so, for despite a 117-117 Regular Season Career QBRec, he is now HOF-worthy for not once but twice wildcarding his way to a Lombardi Trophy MVP not to mention beating the once 18-0 GOAT twice. Predictable, even slightly, was it?

Along those lines, it was absolutely predictable that Gettleman would eschew Sam Darnold as Eli's successor in favor of his "gold jacket" RB Saquon Barkley. And until right now, that looked like a no brainer. But, 7 years and 4 teams later, Darnold has already won more games this year than Eli's best season. But how much will that matter as he and the Vikings approach their Brady...I mean Mahomes...moment, or in the future with a big bucks multiyear payout which the Vikes can well-afford. Quien sabe?

Attribute it to Twin Cities Oh Ya! Wisdom, if you like, but Darnold was Buono fortuna...unless you are Italian in which case, Il boca al Lupo would be better said. In any case, in the NFL, Not For Long applies every bit as much to GMs and especially to HCs. It always comes down to what have you done for, or to me, lately, and who can I blame?

Forget the Vikings and the three other teams that proceeded them. Had Gettleman taken Darnold, do we really think either one of their histories would have been any different. I suppose Darnold would have lasted longer with the Giants, much as was the case with Daniel Jones.

That brings us back to the reality that whatever you "traject"/project, unless you get above average performance at QB, you are likely to get below average performance overall. And never underestimate the role of chance/luck/fortune in that regard, nor where credit and blame are to follow.

You can't underestimate luck. I agree. It propelled the Giants to the playoffs in 2022. But there are some franchises that win consistently, luck or not. Since McVay took over the Rams his teams have had some bad luck with the good, but he puts a viable product out there year after year. Same with Mike Tomlin. John Harbaugh. We shall see if Kevin O'Connell keeps his team consistently competitive good luck or bad. The Giants as presently constituted do not have the "system" to withstand bad luck.

Quote from: katkavage on December 31, 2024, 01:56:19 PMYou can't underestimate luck. I agree. It propelled the Giants to the playoffs in 2022. But there are some franchises that win consistently, luck or not. Since McVay took over the Rams his teams have had some bad luck with the good, but he puts a viable product out there year after year. Same with Mike Tomlin. John Harbaugh. We shall see if Kevin O'Connell keeps his team consistently competitive good luck or bad. The Giants as presently constituted do not have the "system" to withstand bad luck.

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season in Pittsburg. Shows you how much a coach does matter.

Quote from: katkavage on December 31, 2024, 01:56:19 PMYou can't underestimate luck. I agree. It propelled the Giants to the playoffs in 2022. But there are some franchises that win consistently, luck or not. Since McVay took over the Rams his teams have had some bad luck with the good, but he puts a viable product out there year after year. Same with Mike Tomlin. John Harbaugh. We shall see if Kevin O'Connell keeps his team consistently competitive good luck or bad. The Giants as presently constituted do not have the "system" to withstand bad luck.

I find it interesting that those you mention as having been able to win consistently and remain competitive, and there are others like Sean Payton and Bill Belichick, are Head Coaches. It would seem to suggest that aside from being exceptional leaders, they have had as much to do with buying groceries as cooking dinner. Ya think?

In any case, no matter how we slice and dice and turn in circles looking for someone to blame for the Giants bad luck, both recent and in general, he probably always will wear the surname MARA. And whatever we may think of Schoen and Daboll, individually or collectively, they will face a hellova challenge in finding a winner QB for the future, one way or another. Sine qua non.

Btw, as an aside, do you share the notion that the team's uncharacteristic strong performance last Sunday was driven by its desire to show support for Daboll as HC?

Cheers! 

Quote from: Painter on December 31, 2024, 06:04:15 PMI find it interesting that those you mention as having been able to win consistently and remain competitive, and there are others like Sean Payton and Bill Belichick, are Head Coaches. It would seem to suggest that aside from being exceptional leaders, they have had as much to do with buying groceries as cooking dinner. Ya think?

In any case, no matter how we slice and dice and turn in circles looking for someone to blame for the Giants bad luck, both recent and in general, he probably always will wear the surname MARA. And whatever we may think of Schoen and Daboll, individually or collectively, they will face a hellova challenge in finding a winner QB for the future, one way or another. Sine qua non.

Btw, as an aside, do you share the notion that the team's uncharacteristic strong performance last Sunday was driven by its desire to show support for Daboll as HC?

Cheers! 

No. The desire came from within. For themselves. For their futures. Coupled by an absolutely pitiful performance by their mediocre opponent. A victory was due them meaningless as it was with exception to draft order.

Great original post.  Vikings managed to get some things right like the HC hire but I have felt that they had much better top shelf talent.  Diggs, Adam Thielen, Jefferson, now Hockenson and that's just one position.