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The Vikings beat writers are saying Darnold will be out of the Vikings price range. They wouldn't be the first team who had to make difficult decisions because of the strict hard salary cap.

The Vikings recruited Jones (visits, meetings with coaches etc.) Perhaps that was their way
of putting contingency plans in place if Darnold departs).
 
The Giants could have taken McCarthy in the Draft but passed. McCarthy was considered by many scouts a questionable prospect heading into the Draft. He passed very little in Michigan's run oriented offense. Offseason knee surgery adds to the question marks about his readiness. He would have to learn the complexities of a NFL passing offense and recover from knee surgery as well.

I just can't see the Giants giving up Draft capital for such an unproven commodity in McCarthy.


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Quote from: todge on December 31, 2024, 06:10:22 PMThe Vikings beat writers are saying Darnold will be out of the Vikings price range. They wouldn't be the first team who had to make difficult decisions because of the strict hard salary cap.

The Vikings recruited Jones (visits, meetings with coaches etc.) Perhaps that was their way
of putting contingency plans in place if Darnold departs).
 
The Giants could have taken McCarthy in the Draft but passed. McCarthy was considered by many scouts a questionable prospect heading into the Draft. He passed very little in Michigan's run oriented offense. Offseason knee surgery adds to the question marks about his readiness. He would have to learn the complexities of a NFL passing offense and recover from knee surgery as well.

I just can't see the Giants giving up Draft capital for such an unproven commodity in McCarthy.


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I completely agree with you with emphasis on your points I highlighted in bold text above.

There is no sense killing the cap with a bridge QB just as one and one do not quite add up to two when considering the Giants passed on McCarthy and, in retrospect, they'd admit they had erred on that earlier decision; and sell the farm for him as a year-two rookie with a now-surgically repaired knee.

I just don't see it being Sam or J.J. next year. If the Giants had some leverage in a deal to acquire either, then maybe it might be worth listening to, but the path forward has to be an affordable bridge who is capable of running Daboll's, or whomever the head coach's, offense is.

Whatever the Giants decide to do with the QB situation, at least Aaron Rodgers won't be part of the discussion. He's already made his list of teams he'd prefer playing for than the Jets:

The four NFL teams Aaron Rodgers would play for next season..

Peace!

Quote from: babywhales on December 31, 2024, 04:17:35 PMIt's worked since 2005...
2 HOF QBs and currently have their third rock solid QB without skipping a beat


Vikings feel backwards into a dream situation

An injured 1st Round QB is locked up for peanuts with a club option in 2028

Darnold is going great and the Vikings have 75 mill in cap space next year

I'm not saying they will but they should resign darnold and let JJ rehab and then develop behind McCarthy

It's a dream situation and it fell in their lap

I ask besides the Packers. You just answered with my answer.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 31, 2024, 03:07:15 PMI don't disagree, but this year is clearly an anomaly. Over 60 more yards a game and 2.2 touchdowns a game vs less than one over his career?

Do you think the Giants would invest $100 million after the DJ contract debacle? It looks like the lightbulb went on.

Honestly, I think all parties - Giants, Darnold and Vikes would all probably think it's best to stay put.  I hope this is Darnold's "coming out year" and he stays this way.  Just a couple years ago he and Mayfield were in Carolina with their careers in jeopardy, if I were him I'd probably still be terrified of going back to that.

Quote from: StompYouOT on January 01, 2025, 12:35:41 PMHonestly, I think all parties - Giants, Darnold and Vikes would all probably think it's best to stay put.  I hope this is Darnold's "coming out year" and he stays this way.  Just a couple years ago he and Mayfield were in Carolina with their careers in jeopardy, if I were him I'd probably still be terrified of going back to that.

The possibility is he signs another reasonable contract for a year or two with the Vikings. Let's see how he they they finish the season.

I think ppl are falling in that Jones trap again, one year outta 6 or how many he's played. That's like trusting your money to an investor that's lost money every year but one. Just not wise with how inept this team is.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 01, 2025, 01:08:00 PMThe possibility is he signs another reasonable contract for a year or two with the Vikings. Let's see how he they they finish the season.

The only way Darnold is playing on a 1-year deal next year is if the Vikes franchise him. Otherwise, he's getting 3 or 4 years from someone.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 01, 2025, 02:47:02 PMI think ppl are falling in that Jones trap again, one year outta 6 or how many he's played. That's like trusting your money to an investor that's lost money every year but one. Just not wise with how inept this team is.

Yea but he threw what 35 TDs and over 4,200 yards and his team only lost 2 games

DJ had a good year .... Darnold is having a pro bowl level year

Quote from: killarich on January 01, 2025, 03:29:30 PMYea but he threw what 35 TDs and over 4,200 yards and his team only lost 2 games

DJ had a good year .... Darnold is having a pro bowl level year

Still only one year.

Quote from: T200 on January 01, 2025, 05:28:07 PMStill only one year.

Exactly. How many analytics did some try to throw out about Jones after 2022. At that point you're just squinting to hard to make something appear that isn't there.

Perfect example, cousin looked elite in the Vikings offense with Jefferson, but got benched the very next year in Atlanta. Just because a qb does well in one system out of the 4 he's been in doesn't mean it will translate to our team and offense.

Vikings are not keeping Darnold, Jones and JJ for the total amount of money that will entail.  Somebody will be gone and it wont be JJ and his rookie contract.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 01, 2025, 07:08:41 PMVikings are not keeping Darnold, Jones and JJ for the total amount of money that will entail.  Somebody will be gone and it wont be JJ and his rookie contract.

I think Minny would be stupid to let Darnold walk. I get he wasn't their first choice but they are in a dumb luck situation. Now that they see what Darnold can do in their system, it'd be beyond ridiculous to not see if he can do it again on a tag.

McCarthy may very well be the future but as long as Darnold is performing well, the JJ debut will wait.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 01, 2025, 02:47:02 PMI think ppl are falling in that Jones trap again, one year outta 6 or how many he's played. That's like trusting your money to an investor that's lost money every year but one. Just not wise with how inept this team is.

I get what you're saying, however I think there is a clear distinction between Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold.

Darnold was taken with the 2nd overall pick in 2018 in a loaded QB class.

Daniel Jones was a reach and was never viewed as talented as Darnold coming out of college.

Furthermore, here are a few of Darnold's stats this year.

He's ranked 4th in yardage.

5th in TD's.

13th in QBR.

5th in RTG.

He's in the top 5 in more than a few of the major categories.

Daniel Jones best year in 2022 was nowhere close to what Darnold is putting up this year.

However, it will be interesting to see if he is able to string together multiple years like this one.

On another note, Baker Mayfield had one solid year in 2023, and the Bucs re-signed him for a 3 year 100-million-dollar contract, and he's proving them right.

Will have to see what happens with Darnold.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 01, 2025, 07:08:41 PMVikings are not keeping Darnold, Jones and JJ for the total amount of money that will entail.  Somebody will be gone and it wont be JJ and his rookie contract.

Jones won't cost much next year, wherever he plays.

I agree they're not signing Darnold to a contract. They could tag him though, which would be a one year commitment of about $41mm. The JJ rookie contract number is inconsequential as well, about $5m ish a year.

Really just all about whether they keep Darnold on the tag or not.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 01, 2025, 07:45:06 PMI get what you're saying, however I think there is a clear distinction between Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold.

Darnold was taken with the 2nd overall pick in 2018 in a loaded QB class.

Daniel Jones was a reach and was never viewed as talented as Darnold coming out of college.

Furthermore, here are a few of Darnold's stats this year.

He's ranked 4th in yardage.

5th in TD's.

13th in QBR.

5th in RTG.

He's in the top 5 in more than a few of the major categories.

Daniel Jones best year in 2022 was nowhere close to what Darnold is putting up this year.

However, it will be interesting to see if he is able to string together multiple years like this one.

On another note, Baker Mayfield had one solid year in 2023, and the Bucs re-signed him for a 3 year 100-million-dollar contract, and he's proving them right.

Will have to see what happens with Darnold.

So then what were you doing the past two plus years pumping us with obscure mythical Jones Stats to try and force us to get on your Jones train if you knew he was a reach. I remember on 10 occasions at minimum where I brought Jones subpar college career that was largely ignored by you. Also didn't Jones have a top 12 QBR in 2022?

So tell me again how Darnold differs from the Jones situation? Just because he had on more lip stick coming out of college than Jones doesnt make him any better. Darnold lucked into an already established offensive system with elite weapons, and the Vikings still took Mccarthy, only the injury to him got Darnold to play.