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I like Fields plus a rookie QB in the mid rounds, especially if we can steal some picks with a trade down OR Travis Hunter falls to us at number three overall.

I'd also like to draft Trayvon Henderson to complement Tracy in the backfield.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 07, 2025, 04:02:23 PMFields got the Steelers off to 4-2 start
Wilson go the Steelers to a 6-5 finish

Fields had career highs in Completion percentage and passing rating so he did get better with better coaching and teammates.

Just saying.

He didn't look any better.  The Steelers had a top 3 defense for that part of the year.  If you want stats, his QBR pretty much looks the same.

Steelers scored more points with Russell Wilson and instantly were a better offense without Fields.  If Fields is any bit as good any people think, he won't be leaving Pittsburgh, but I am guessing Tomlin will wave goodbye.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 07, 2025, 04:44:08 PMHe didn't look any better.  The Steelers had a top 3 defense for that part of the year.  If you want stats, his QBR pretty much looks the same.

Steelers scored more points with Russell Wilson and instantly were a better offense without Fields.  If Fields is any bit as good any people think, he won't be leaving Pittsburgh, but I am guessing Tomlin will wave goodbye.

That's the point - he's an inexpensive/descent bridge QB until next season.  IMO, of the available QBs, he represents the best ROI.

Quote from: kingm56 on January 07, 2025, 04:54:51 PMThat's the point - he's an inexpensive/descent bridge QB until next season.  IMO, of the available QBs, he represents the best ROI.

I think Tim Boyle would be just as cheap.  Why does it even matter who a "bridge" QB is?  I don't get this interest in him at all.  He won't be good, his indecisiveness and poor processing won't help develop the OL.  I just don't get the attraction at all.

In a perfect world any bridge QB should share some characteristics with the targeted QB of the future. Even though Lock looked an odd choice to us we might see him as a lightweight Hallmark rip-off version of the original multi-award winning Josh Allen movie - big bodied, somewhat mobile, gunslinger reputation. If you squint hard in a failing light. Well, you get the idea.

Somewhat alarmingly the potential bridge QB who arguably best fits that profile is Jameis Winston. I have not done enough work on the rookies to have a firm view on who also best fits this profile as at first glance none seem a really close fit. Beck or Rourke for size? Milroe or Dart for mobility? Ward for mentality and arm?

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 07, 2025, 04:59:05 PMI think Tim Boyle would be just as cheap.  Why does it even matter who a "bridge" QB is?  I don't get this interest in him at all.  He won't be good, his indecisiveness and poor processing won't help develop the OL.  I just don't get the attraction at all.

At just 25 years old, he has already demonstrated the ability to play above average football despite being on some subpar teams. In 2022, he earned MVP and AP votes, an impressive achievement considering he played with limited offensive talent around him. BL: is there another cheap option that can deliver 28 TDs/year? 

2022 (Passing):
2540 YDS / 19 TDs / 11 INTs / 56.3 QBR

2022 (Rushing):
1295 YDS / 9 TDs

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2024 (Passing):
3133 YDS / 14 TDs / 3 INTs / 51.3 QBR

2024 (Rushing):
818 YDS / 14 TDs

**All numbers are 17-game projections.**

Once again, it's important to acknowledge that no one is suggesting he should be the franchise quarterback long-term. However, he is more than capable of helping the Giants remain competitive during a transition year. His presence provides a solid bridge while the team works to establish a more sustainable future.  I don't believe he's magically going to become a +passer...I'm just looking for a guy to get us to 2026, while still being able to make plays and protect the football...

If he exceeds expectations, that's a win—suddenly, the Giants might find themselves with a viable quarterback solution, and you're ahead of schedule. On the other hand, if his performance falls short, that's not the end of the world either. It simply means the Giants will be in a prime position to draft a true franchise quarterback in 2026, giving them a clear path forward. Either way, the team has flexibility...

Quote from: londonblue on January 07, 2025, 05:16:09 PMIn a perfect world any bridge QB should share some characteristics with the targeted QB of the future. Even though Lock looked an odd choice to us we might see him as a lightweight Hallmark rip-off version of the original multi-award winning Josh Allen movie - big bodied, somewhat mobile, gunslinger reputation. If you squint hard in a failing light. Well, you get the idea.

Somewhat alarmingly the potential bridge QB who arguably best fits that profile is Jameis Winston. I have not done enough work on the rookies to have a firm view on who also best fits this profile as at first glance none seem a really close fit. Beck or Rourke for size? Milroe or Dart for mobility? Ward for mentality and arm?

Neal,


I completely agree with your point about matching the characteristics of the starter and the backup.

Oddly enough, NFL teams don't always follow the rule as witnessed by pairings of Flacco/Richardson and Cosins/Pennix.


Since FA signings will happen so soon before the draft it will be challenging to predict at that time, at least with certainty, who they will be drafting.

Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 07, 2025, 09:14:50 AMRich, imagine Rodgers would want to stay in NY, would you sign him?

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 07, 2025, 09:19:09 AMA plethora of options. I like Wilson as a leader and a strong voice. The Steelers may not resign him, but he's resurrected his career there.

I agree that leaving Dart and McCord out of the mix may be a mistake. I think they could prove to be better than backups. Whenever I see clear improvement in a short period of time, it raises the ceiling for me.

Wilson is 36.  If he were to accept a 1-2 year deal for say $15MM per but someone will give him more.

I don't get the Fields suggestions either. If it isn't clear he's not a very good QB by now, I'm not sure what evidence you're looking at. The Steelers (a winning organization) gave up on him despite being 4-2. That tells you a lot.

If you're Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen and you're hanging by a thread - Justin Fields isn't where you turn. I think they'll definitely look at Stafford and Russell Wilson.

Browns and Raiders are desperate for a QB..and Schoen can't waste draft capital moving up. But I think the Titans should trade down. And will get probably a great, huge offer from Vegas.

But I don't believe Schoen will not throw a haily Mary.  Overpay.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 07, 2025, 04:12:49 PMI like Fields plus a rookie QB in the mid rounds, especially if we can steal some picks with a trade down OR Travis Hunter falls to us at number three overall.

I'd also like to draft Trayvon Henderson to complement Tracy in the backfield.

I think Judkins is the Ohio St. RB to target to complement Tracy.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 07, 2025, 10:33:06 PMI think Judkins is the Ohio St. RB to target to complement Tracy.

The depth at RB in this draft is crazy.

1. Jeanty
2. Omarion Hampton
3. Kaleb Johnson
4. Dylan Sampson
5. Judkins
6. Nicholas Singleton
7. Henderson

I actually think Hampton will be a better prospect than Jeanty, Hampton is elite but yeah we should be able to get a great rb later but I doubt we will with Singletary still under contract. Judkins would be the better compliment.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 07, 2025, 12:52:33 PMThere's no way Howard goes in round 2. Milroe - and maybe Ewers if he comes out - are the 2 QBs projected to go in the second round.

After them, there's still Beck (even post injury) and Dart who rank above Howard.

Howard and McCord then are at the top of tier 4 - which I'd be fine considering in the 4th round.

There's no way you can say that at this point.  Will Howard has two national TV huge competition potentially left.  If he moves Ohio State's offense like he has past two games, he may very move up draft boards.  Additionally the post second events always cause draft movement.  Too much in flux.

Quote from: 4 Aces on January 07, 2025, 08:44:28 PMI don't get the Fields suggestions either. If it isn't clear he's not a very good QB by now, I'm not sure what evidence you're looking at. The Steelers (a winning organization) gave up on him despite being 4-2. That tells you a lot.

If you're Brian Daboll and Joe Schoen and you're hanging by a thread - Justin Fields isn't where you turn. I think they'll definitely look at Stafford and Russell Wilson.

When you go with an aging QB like Stafford or Wilson, either you are a talented roster making a run at the Super Bowl, or you have your future QB, and you want to give him time to get ready.  With the draft QB prospects where the Giants select and the Giants roster, I am not sure either situation applies to the Giants.

For those of you who believe that Judkins is a better choice than Henderson, I'd love to know your reasoning.

I watch every Ohio State game and while Judkins is also really good, Henderson is a better pass protector, receiver, always seems to make great decisions and is a threat to take it to the house nearly every time he touches the ball.


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