Big Blue Huddle

For a duo who are frequently accused of being cheerleaders or mouthpieces of the NY Giants, this podcast/YouTube video was a bit out of character.   Their criticism was of the constructive variety, but it was hard-hitting and mostly on-point



As the Giants' season approaches, Bob Papa and Carl Banks break down what needs to change as the team heads into the offseason. They discuss the importance of player development, making key adjustments on offense and defense, and identifying areas for improvement. The conversation highlights the need to maximize player potential, upgrade talent across the roster, and the critical role Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll will play in steering the team toward success next season.
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00:00:00 - Introduction
00:00:57 - Reflecting on the 2024 Season
00:01:26 - Offensive Struggles and Mistakes
00:01:50 - Defensive Issues and Lack of Identity
00:03:52 - Need for Defensive Evolution
00:07:10 - Injuries and Talent Upgrades
00:07:32 - Shane Bowen
00:08:27 - Drafting and Roster Management Concerns
00:09:41 - Evaluating Offensive Line Draft Picks
00:10:37 - Defensive Player Performance and Scheme
00:11:25 - Coaching Adjustments and Player Development
00:12:01 - Quarterback Play and Offensive Strategy
00:18:10 - Comparing Backup Quarterbacks Across the League
00:20:25 - Coaching Accountability and Player Discipline
00:24:51 - Self-Evaluation for Coaches
00:30:54 - Expectations for Team Identity
00:32:19 - Importance of Player Development
00:35:01 - Coaching Philosophy and Accountability
00:39:23 - Final Thoughts on Team Direction
00:40:25 - Fan Reactions and Ownership Decisions
00:46:09 - Future Outlook

Unbelievable. You actually took the time to compose a list the topics covered. Thank you very much. Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 08, 2025, 08:45:34 AMUnbelievable. You actually took the time to compose a list the topics covered. Thank you very much. Bob

I wish I could take credit, but it's actually included in some of the better Youtube content.  In fact, on the YouTube page itself, there are hyperlinks on the time listing, so you can click on it, and it takes you right to the topic listed.

The only thing I did was listen to it twice this morning.

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 08, 2025, 08:45:34 AMUnbelievable. You actually took the time to compose a list the topics covered. Thank you very much. Bob

It's built into the video, Bob. If you look at the description then click more... it will expand the description and show the chapters and links.

Quote from: T200 on January 08, 2025, 08:57:25 AMIt's built into the video, Bob. If you look at the description then click more... it will expand the description and show the chapters and links.

Tim: Many thanks. I know a lot about computers but sometimes I'm completely "unaware" of my surroundings. lol

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 08, 2025, 09:04:11 AMTim: Many thanks. I know a lot about computers but sometimes I'm completely "unaware" of my surroundings. lol

If it makes you feel any better, Bob, this is a relatively new development (maybe over the past year or so) where they started putting time stamps in some descriptions (not all shows do this).

Anyone who thinks Banks is just a mouthpiece has not heard him on the radio broadcast of the games.  He rips into them on a regular basis.

Quote from: coggs on January 08, 2025, 11:32:14 AMAnyone who thinks Banks is just a mouthpiece has not heard him on the radio broadcast of the games.  He rips into them on a regular basis.

Obviously, you are not going to get the sort of blunt assessment you get from a true independent like Bobby Skinner, but I think Carl does a pretty good job being fair, given the constraints he works under.  I think that limitation is offset, to a large extent, by the great in-the-building access the two enjoy.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2025, 09:48:23 AMIf it makes you feel any better, Bob, this is a relatively new development (maybe over the past year or so) where they started putting time stamps in some descriptions (not all shows do this).

Hi Rich @MightyGiants .

They've had that technology in place for several years now. Back when I was looking for the Production Music used in NFL Films NY Giants Highlight Videos, YouTube could automatically identify the tune or, if they couldn't, you could put the placeholder in, copy the link and go to your Production Music Library forum (NOTE: just like this place but for Production Music only - yes, lots of NFL Films Music fanatics and folks trying to identify music from other libraries used by NFL Films).

It's a nice setup they have and convenient if you want to jump to a specific segment.

Peace!

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 08, 2025, 12:18:53 PMObviously, you are not going to get the sort of blunt assessment you get from a true independent like Bobby Skinner, but I think Carl does a pretty good job being fair, given the constraints he works under.  I think that limitation is offset, to a large extent, by the great in-the-building access the two enjoy.

Carl, like myself, thought Daniel Jones could be decent.  When it went off the rails this year, people went after him claiming he was a shill.  It doesn't have to be all or nothing.  Fans need to understand, guys like Banks, Skinner, Papa, can like certain things they are doing and dislike certain things they are doing.  I guess the Jones's debate was such a hot button issue that to some that is all that mattered.

Quote from: coggs on January 09, 2025, 07:50:49 AMCarl, like myself, thought Daniel Jones could be decent.  When it went off the rails this year, people went after him claiming he was a shill.  It doesn't have to be all or nothing.  Fans need to understand, guys like Banks, Skinner, Papa, can like certain things they are doing and dislike certain things they are doing.  I guess the Jones's debate was such a hot button issue that to some that is all that mattered.

It was pretty easy to see from us non experts that Jones wasn't the answer. Doesn't give me confidence in Banks assessments for the future

Quote from: Trench on January 09, 2025, 08:15:02 AMIt was pretty easy to see from us non experts that Jones wasn't the answer. Doesn't give me confidence in Banks assessments for the future

This is where we are now as a society.  Expertise and experience are no longer valued.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 09, 2025, 08:19:56 AMThis is where we are now as a society.  Expertise and experience are no longer valued.

Just because u play a sport doesn't mean u are an expert.

Quote from: Trench on January 09, 2025, 08:33:05 AMJust because u play a sport doesn't mean u are an expert.

As I said, we live in a society where expertise, education, and experience are no longer valued.   Football is hardly the only field of endeavor where this is happening.  We have seen this in public health, medicine, science, and economics (to name a few more).

Your comments only support the point I was making.  I am curious: how much have you listened to Carl Banks to determine that you know more about football than he does?

Quote from: Trench on January 09, 2025, 08:33:05 AMJust because u play a sport doesn't mean u are an expert.

Just because you post on a message board, doesnt make you an expert.  In 2018, I said over and over again I wanted Josh Allen if they were going QB or Quenten Nelson if not.  Doesnt mean I am going to be right on every player I want/dont want.