Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on January 13, 2025, 01:08:48 PMI hope they aren't desperate. My best scenario is they pass on QBs, wing it with one of these mediocre bridge QBs, suck again next year, which is very likely, then both Schoen and Daboll get fired and the new GM and HC pick their QB--the way it should be done. Not the way the Giants usually do things, ass backwards.

So, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?

Quote from: kingm56 on January 13, 2025, 01:22:59 PMIm not concerned with next years strength of schedule.  A lot could happen between now and then.  How many teams looked at Wash and Minn last year and marked it as a W? Several fans on this site did.  How many thought Dal, Mia, Saints, Colts, Jac, etc were going to be a tough games?  At this point, SoS means nothing...

For the record, I thought the Giants would win their first two games. The revival at Minnesota was a surprise. I knew Daniels would be a stud and thought the Giants would split with them, not beat them twice as they have in the past. I always had the Colts as a win in 2024. Dallas had issues going into the season and when they lost Prescott that amplified it all. But the Giants lost to them twice, so there's that. Cleveland I thought would be a loss, but we know how bad they were with and without Watson. So they beat a team as bad as they were. Seattle was a pick em before the season. That was the Giants best game of the year. The Panthers I had as a win. I always thought the Saints, Falcons and Bucs as possible wins. No better than 50/50. Next year's schedule is much harder than last year's, but you are right. Things happen. But don't bet on it.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 01:28:35 PMSo, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?

If it means a better future for the team, yes. If we fans are stuck in the lower middle, the hell with that.

Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 13, 2025, 01:07:35 PMIn college, sacks count against your rushing totals. So if you had 5 actual runs for 20 yards but were sacked 5 times for -20 yards, your rushing total for that game would be 0 yards.

Thanks wasn't aware that is how it's tallied in NCAA! That is pretty dumb though. Sacks occur on passing plays.. how it ends up being  negative rushing yards is inane. The way the NFL does it makes alot more sense.

Sanders has some of the smoothest set-to-throw of any QB I've seen the last few years. He has quick agile feet in his dropback, reads his progressions quickly, and has a quick trigger to release the ball. He's very comfortable with his mechanics so I doubt that they will mess with it too much at the next level. He secures the ball with two hands while he's set or moving within the pocket, so he's not going to get striped on the blind side, and believe me his Oline was not that good.

He's nore of an arm thrower than using the ground and his hips to open up his left shoulder. Often he's seen having his left shoulder pull his right side, and push the ball. Often in an overhand release. While he does whip from the open ball facing the ground, it's a quick snap. He will never be accused of a big windup. This affects the velocity of his throws. He can make all the throws, but the speed to get ball to the target can be improved.

He's mostly consistent in his throwing motion, but when he's off-platform, he will then adjust accordingly. I've seen him outside the pocket looking for his receivers to get open after things break down, then see his target and reset his base to throw. It's a beautiful thing to watch. He will look downfield for all options and run only as a last choice. He knows he doesn't have the elite speed and elusiveness to be a run threat. I'm sure Pops drilled it in him. Oddly enough, he's a very good athlete. However even he won't pass up an open A Gap when it spreads, but his gain will be minimal, and he's no Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen battling for the extra yards. Still, he will hang in the pocket, and take the hit to get that pass off if he sees it.

I don't see him throwing into tight windows over the middle or on quick-out routes, so although he has a quick release, I see him using it more on the boundaries in screen passes, Flat hitches, and checks with anticipation. Without that velocity, he will work the field with timing, or pass to a wide open Receiver downfield. I've seen him read through to his 4th option with instantaneous recognition in about 2 seconds, hitch to set and deliver the pass. The kid is polished. He's going to need to identify the Hot Read in a Blitz, where I see him failing a few times. He puts too much trust in this LT. He's also going to need to learn how to utilize his TE's because Colorado lives in 10 Personnel.

I hope he gets with the right team, and they sit him for at least a half-season. He has the talent to be an excellent QB in the right system.

That said,
he can't cook
he can't speak French
and he's a lousy bowler.       

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 03:04:21 PMSanders has some of the smoothest set-to-throw of any QB I've seen the last few years. He has quick agile feet in his dropback, reads his progressions quickly, and has a quick trigger to release the ball. He's very comfortable with his mechanics so I doubt that they will mess with it too much at the next level. He secures the ball with two hands while he's set or moving within the pocket, so he's not going to get striped on the blind side, and believe me his Oline was not that good.

He's nore of an arm thrower than using the ground and his hips to open up his left shoulder. Often he's seen having his left shoulder pull his right side, and push the ball. Often in an overhand release. While he does whip from the open ball facing the ground, it's a quick snap. He will never be accused of a big windup. This affects the velocity of his throws. He can make all the throws, but the speed to get ball to the target can be improved.

He's mostly consistent in his throwing motion, but when he's off-platform, he will then adjust accordingly. I've seen him outside the pocket looking for his receivers to get open after things break down, then see his target and reset his base to throw. It's a beautiful thing to watch. He will look downfield for all options and run only as a last choice. He knows he doesn't have the elite speed and elusiveness to be a run threat. I'm sure Pops drilled it in him. Oddly enough, he's a very good athlete. However even he won't pass up an open A Gap when it spreads, but his gain will be minimal, and he's no Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen battling for the extra yards. Still, he will hang in the pocket, and take the hit to get that pass off if he sees it.

I don't see him throwing into tight windows over the middle or on quick-out routes, so although he has a quick release, I see him using it more on the boundaries in screen passes, Flat hitches, and checks with anticipation. Without that velocity, he will work the field with timing, or pass to a wide open Receiver downfield. I've seen him read through to his 4th option with instantaneous recognition in about 2 seconds, hitch to set and deliver the pass. The kid is polished. He's going to need to identify the Hot Read in a Blitz, where I see him failing a few times. He puts too much trust in this LT. He's also going to need to learn how to utilize his TE's because Colorado lives in 10 Personnel.

I hope he gets with the right team, and they sit him for at least a half-season. He has the talent to be an excellent QB in the right system.

That said,
he can't cook
he can't speak French
and he's a lousy bowler.       

I see him being perfect for that Oregon style offense that Nix was in. That hot read, dink/dunk, and schemed open reads. I don't know that an NFL team runs that currently but that would be his best spot.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 01:28:35 PMSo, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?

If I am not mistaken you were happy with glee that Mara retained Daboll and Schoen. Yes, we disagreed on that point but I asked to give your reasons why you were happy with Mara's decision . If you posted it I never saw it.

They are going to probably have another bad season .Their schedule includes Commanders, Cowboys and Eagles twice . Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Lions, Vikings , Packers . That could possibly be 12 losses . You are left with The Bears, Pats, Saints , 49ers, and Raiders. The 49ers will be better and the Pats with Vrabel could also be.

There is no Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Eli Manning riding in on a white horse to save the day.

Any QB drafted will sit on the bench for awhile.

Mara would say, we won 6 games or 5 games that was better than 2024 so I am going to continue with Daboll and Schoen and I have a feeling you would be applauding his decision.

The better move , and you disagree, would have been to clean house , start over . Daboll might have been a good OC in Buffalo but he stinks as a HC. He is stubborn and is a member of the Bill ARnsbarger Dave Wannstadt Syndrome . Good Assistants but poor as head coach.

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 13, 2025, 03:43:25 PMIf I am not mistaken you were happy with glee that Mara retained Daboll and Schoen. Yes, we disagreed on that point but I asked to give your reasons why you were happy with Mara's decision . If you posted it I never saw it.

They are going to probably have another bad season .Their schedule includes Commanders, Cowboys and Eagles twice . Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Lions, Vikings , Packers . That could possibly be 12 losses . You are left with The Bears, Pats, Saints , 49ers, and Raiders. The 49ers will be better and the Pats with Vrabel could also be.

There is no Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Eli Manning riding in on a white horse to save the day.

Any QB drafted will sit on the bench for awhile.

Mara would say, we won 6 games or 5 games that was better than 2024 so I am going to continue with Daboll and Schoen and I have a feeling you would be applauding his decision.

The better move , and you disagree, would have been to clean house , start over . Daboll might have been a good OC in Buffalo but he stinks as a HC. He is stubborn and is a member of the Bill ARnsbarger Dave Wannstadt Syndrome . Good Assistants but poor as head coach.

Daboll gets too much credit for the development of Josh Allen. When in fact it was Chris Hess who Allen credits for changing his throwing motion to correct his accuracy.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 04:08:07 PMDaboll gets too much credit for the development of Josh Allen. When in fact it was Chris Hess who Allen credits for changing his throwing motion to correct his accuracy.

Before someone asks...
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/11/15/Upfront/The-tech-advantage.aspx

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 13, 2025, 03:43:25 PMIf I am not mistaken you were happy with glee that Mara retained Daboll and Schoen. Yes, we disagreed on that point but I asked to give your reasons why you were happy with Mara's decision . If you posted it I never saw it.

They are going to probably have another bad season .Their schedule includes Commanders, Cowboys and Eagles twice . Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Lions, Vikings , Packers . That could possibly be 12 losses . You are left with The Bears, Pats, Saints , 49ers, and Raiders. The 49ers will be better and the Pats with Vrabel could also be.

There is no Jayden Daniels, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen or Eli Manning riding in on a white horse to save the day.

Any QB drafted will sit on the bench for awhile.

Mara would say, we won 6 games or 5 games that was better than 2024 so I am going to continue with Daboll and Schoen and I have a feeling you would be applauding his decision.

The better move , and you disagree, would have been to clean house , start over . Daboll might have been a good OC in Buffalo but he stinks as a HC. He is stubborn and is a member of the Bill ARnsbarger Dave Wannstadt Syndrome . Good Assistants but poor as head coach.

The issue here is you are stating your opinion as fact. Me having a different opinion than you on the coach, does not equate to me wanting another bad season.

At the point I wanted them to lose out, this years campaign was already over. I will never ask for a lost season a year in advance. Now if we are 2-8 halfway again, then that's different. And at that point I will probably join the fire Daboll and Joe club.

If we can give Daniel every excuse in the book for 6 years, we can give the coach a 4th, and one to prove himself without that bottleneck at QB.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 04:26:09 PMThe issue here is you are stating your opinion as fact. Me having a different opinion than you on the coach, does not equate to me wanting another bad season.

At the point I wanted them to lose out, this years campaign was already over. I will never ask for a lost season a year in advance. Now if we are 2-8 halfway again, then that's different. And at that point I will probably join the fire Daboll and Joe club.

If we can give Daniel every excuse in the book for 6 years, we can give the coach a 4th, and one to prove himself without that bottleneck at QB.

I understand that we have different opinions on retaining Daboll and Schoen and that is perfectly fine . I just wanted to know the reasons you were happy with Mara's decision. I am not hoping for a lost season . I hope Daboll surprises me and we are competitive late in the season . I think I am just trying to be realistic about a successful 2025 season

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on January 13, 2025, 06:07:00 PMI understand that we have different opinions on retaining Daboll and Schoen and that is perfectly fine . I just wanted to know the reasons you were happy with Mara's decision. I am not hoping for a lost season . I hope Daboll surprises me and we are competitive late in the season . I think I am just trying to be realistic about a successful 2025 season

I have stated ad nauseum, as well as others here, that they should get a chance without being strapped to Jones.

For six years, it was Jones didn't have this, that, and didn't have perfect everything around him.

It's only fair that Daboll get the same thing.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 13, 2025, 01:28:35 PMSo, you WANT 2025 to be another horrific season?

Would prefer that if it is building to something, than another 2016.

Quote from: coggs on January 13, 2025, 09:59:03 PMWould prefer that if it is building to something, than another 2016.

We would kill for another 2016.

Quote from: coggs on January 13, 2025, 09:59:03 PMWould prefer that if it is building to something, than another 2016.

It could be though, theyve yet to be able to do anything