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The recent lightning-quick rises of both the Texans and Commanders serve as a reminder that it doesn't necessarily have to take 5 years to go from being aboslutley awful to being a playoff team. Both teams did exactly that in just one offseason.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 26, 2025, 08:19:09 AMThe recent lightning-quick rises of both the Texans and Commanders serve as a reminder that it doesn't necessarily have to take 5 years to go from being aboslutley awful to being a playoff team. Both teams did exactly that in just one offseason.

Hi Dave,

You made me do a little research.

Houston this year average 21.9 ppg on offense, but also gave up 21.9 ppg on defense.

So offensively and defensively they weren't a juggernaut.

What was the difference?

They had a plus 10 in the turnover ratio, combined with having a good QB, seems to have put them over the top with a winning record.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 26, 2025, 08:19:09 AMThe recent lightning-quick rises of both the Texans and Commanders serve as a reminder that it doesn't necessarily have to take 5 years to go from being aboslutley awful to being a playoff team. Both teams did exactly that in just one offseason.

The only thing worth noting is that both changed coaching staffs and had a ton of draft capital and cap space.  The Commanders also changed GM and Owner.  Houston's GM was only in year 2.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 26, 2025, 08:29:30 AMHi Dave,

You made me do a little research.

Houston this year average 21.9 ppg on offense, but also gave up 21.9 ppg on defense.

So offensively and defensively they weren't a juggernaut.

What was the difference?

They had a plus 10 in the turnover ratio, combined with having a good QB, seems to have put them over the top with a winning record.

The point of my post was really what they managed to do in a single offseason. In 2022 the Texans were 3-13-1 with a -131 point differential. The year before that they were 4-13. They were an established terrible team. In 2023, they suddenly went 10-7 with a positive point differential of +24.

I never said anything about juggernaut. I said the team went from being "absolutely awful", which they clearly were, to being a "playoff team", which they clearly were. That is all. The "juggernaut" point was your own insertion into the discussion and had nothing to do with any points I had made. You also chose to ignore their one year ascent and decided to only look at them two years later for whatever reason. Again, that wasn't what I was talking about.

Moving over to the Commanders, they were 4-13 in 2023 with a -189 point differential. That unquestionably qualifies as "absolutely awful." Suddenly, in just one offseason, they became a 12-5 team with a +94 point differential and are playing in the NFC championship game today following back to back heroic performances by their rookie QB. For whatever reason you did not choose to address this example in your answer.

All my point was was that it is possible to go from being terrible to good in one offseason. We have seen it happen in each of the last two seasons. It refutes the narrative we get here sometimes that it takes at least years to go from being a doormat to being a good team. If one wants to argue what the 2024 Commanders and 2023 Texans did is unusual, I'm all for that and would agree. But clearly it's not impossible.

In a word YES.

It gives them hope, but to expect a turnaround like that keeping the same management and coaching that has resulted in abysmal failure and expecting a messiah in the form of a QB to lead the team next year would make more of a fictional fantasy than anything real.

It's what we've been saying for 4 years, or at least a group of us.

In my honest opinion we have a better top to bottom roster than the commanders and better weapons.

The Texans have elite corners and an elite D line to pair with a Qb and great Wrs. We are a lockdown #1 corner, and #2 WR with a new Qb from that.

I know people act like we are just so far off but in reality we are a Qb and a couple small FA/Draft pieces away from being really competitive.

It's a qb league, our Defense would be a 100× better if the offense stayed on the field occasionally or scored. If we weren't always playing from behind.

What scares me is how much talent the Skins are going to attract in FA with all of their space and so many wanting to play with Daniels over the next several years.

Without proper leadership, this is only going to get worse.


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Regardless of HC and GM, the people in charge will be badly handicapped by having Ronnie Barnes in charge of the team's medical program

Rich,

I continue to be baffled about why we fans are the only group who's even giving the poor performance of Ronnie Barnes and the training staff any type of attention much less criticism.


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 26, 2025, 09:26:26 AMRich,

I continue to be baffled about why we fans are the only group who's even giving the poor performance of Ronnie Barnes and the training staff any type of attention much less criticism.


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Ronnie Barnes is charismatic and well-liked.  That goes a long way in any business; popularity often trumps ability, especially in a challenging field to manage and have accountability, like the medical group on a football team.  I also hear the same group of reports that campaigned to protect Schoen's and Daboll's jobsand  also protect Ronnie Barnes. 

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 26, 2025, 09:26:26 AMRich,

I continue to be baffled about why we fans are the only group who's even giving the poor performance of Ronnie Barnes and the training staff any type of attention much less criticism.


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Because as bad as our team is, our beat writers are worse!....they don't do their jobs. Some are mouthpieces for the organization

For instance:

1. I never heard them ask why Jones locked on receivers so much and what was being done about it?

2. Why does the team have so much trouble tackling?

3. Why do our players have so many more injuries than other teams for so long a period of time?

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 26, 2025, 07:48:59 AMhttps://x.com/NotSoAngryScout/status/1880988397202022492

I would add the Lions to the list. They were bad for so long and all of a sudden went up like a rocker ship.

I think it's clear - the key is a good QB.

Quote from: Trench on January 26, 2025, 10:11:54 AMI would add the Lions to the list. They were bad for so long and all of a sudden went up like a rocker ship.

I think it's clear - the key is a good QB.

In the case of the Lions, it was clearly more a case of Dan Campbell and his coaching staff than QB castoff Jared Goff.