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Since it was Sanders birthday Friday I thought that age conversation was a good one to have. With Ward and Sanders being 23, and Dart being 21. Does that move the needle with anyone like level of competition, or does it not matter?

https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1889037089989370171

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 10, 2025, 04:00:51 PMhttps://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1889037089989370171

This is why you hear a ton of scouts have Dart #2 on a lot of boards.

Sanders didn't dominate significantly weaker teams in Div2 or at Colorado. Kansas and Nebraska were not good, yet Dan pointed out how bad the tape was. Only 2 300 yard games with Travis hunter as your Wr vs Div 2. A 23 yr old that holds the ball entirely too long, doesn't really go deep, doesn't elevate talent around him, doesn't flow through progressions, and I could go on.

I know we need a Qb badly but at least let's take a gamble on a young guy, that elevated the guys around him, and will sling the ball down the damn field. Give me Dart or Mccord, both have the intangibles, ice in their veins, and will chunk it deep.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 10, 2025, 10:51:18 PMThis is why you hear a ton of scouts have Dart #2 on a lot of boards.

Sanders didn't dominate significantly weaker teams in Div2 or at Colorado. Kansas and Nebraska were not good, yet Dan pointed out how bad the tape was. Only 2 300 yard games with Travis hunter as your Wr vs Div 2. A 23 yr old that holds the ball entirely too long, doesn't really go deep, doesn't elevate talent around him, doesn't flow through progressions, and I could go on.

I know we need a Qb badly but at least let's take a gamble on a young guy, that elevated the guys around him, and will sling the ball down the damn field. Give me Dart or Mccord, both have the intangibles, ice in their veins, and will chunk it deep.

You cant underestimate level of competition when analyzing players.  Travis Hunter is good but he did not ahut down the level of competition that Will Johnson did at Michigan.  Same with Dart vs Sanders.  Sanders did not dominate however neither did Josh Allen at Wyoming.  The difference is that Allen brought the physicals like arm strength and his weaknesses could be corrected.  Can you correct Sanders flaws as easily?  I doubt his arm talent improves a lot more.

Everyone here needs to get used to the idea that whoever is picked by the Giants at QB will not be a savior. It's just one of those years. And that includes the mediocre list of free agents. Schoen and Daboll will do what they can with what they can, but it will not be enough to make the Giants much better or save their jobs. Mara kicked the can for a year and though he is an idiot, it might be the best thing for the future of the Giants. A new regime will come in and when there are better QB prospects available, will, we can only hope, grab one even if Schoen grabs one of these middling prospects this year. I am a long time Giant fan and this is what I hope for. I must write off 2025 and hope the clueless owner finds capable replacements that can guide the franchise in the long term future. In the words of Porky Pig: "That's all Folks."

Field Yates just did a mock draft.

Hunter and Carter go one and two

The Giants take Cam Ward with the 3rd

The Raiders take Sanders with the 6th

The Steelers take Dart with the 21st

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/43735323/2025-nfl-mock-draft-field-yates-first-round-predictions-32-picks

Quote from: katkavage on February 11, 2025, 07:10:35 AMEveryone here needs to get used to the idea that whoever is picked by the Giants at QB will not be a savior. It's just one of those years. And that includes the mediocre list of free agents. Schoen and Daboll will do what they can with what they can, but it will not be enough to make the Giants much better or save their jobs. Mara kicked the can for a year and though he is an idiot, it might be the best thing for the future of the Giants. A new regime will come in and when there are better QB prospects available, will, we can only hope, grab one even if Schoen grabs one of these middling prospects this year. I am a long time Giant fan and this is what I hope for. I must write off 2025 and hope the clueless owner finds capable replacements that can guide the franchise in the long term future. In the words of Porky Pig: "That's all Folks."

I'm sure alot of people were saying similar when the starting QBs in the SB that just ended were drafted, Mahomes fell to #10, Hurts was a second round pick, both have now played multiple SBs.

Listening to what mock drafts tell you, is seldomly accurate.

With that said, I'm not a fan of Sanders at this point, I liked him early in the year but have soured quite a bit on him.

Quote from: MrGap92 on February 11, 2025, 08:24:49 AMI'm sure alot of people were saying similar when the starting QBs in the SB that just ended were drafted, Mahomes fell to #10, Hurts was a second round pick, both have now played multiple SBs.

Listening to what mock drafts tell you, is seldomly accurate.

With that said, I'm not a fan of Sanders at this point, I liked him early in the year but have soured quite a bit on him.

They say the best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one.  The Chiefs and the Eagles had established veteran starters when they drafted their new QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2025, 08:39:01 AMThey say the best time to draft a QB is when you don't need one.  The Chiefs and the Eagles had established veteran starters when they drafted their new QB.

Evaluation and coaching, not timing, are the keys. Do the Giants have good QB talent evaluators, is the question.

Quote from: T200 on February 11, 2025, 09:50:29 AMEvaluation and coaching, not timing, are the keys. Do the Giants have good QB talent evaluators, is the question.

Tim,

Part of the reason the whole "draft a QB" when you don't need one works is they can take the gamble.  The Chiefs traded up to the 10th pick in the draft to get Mahomes.  If the Chiefs didn't have a starting QB, that's a pretty big gamble to see a QB you believe can be an elite franchise QB and hope 9 other teams pass.   Had another team grabbed him before they could, they no doubt had a different direction they would have headed.

Jalen Hurts even more illustrated that point, as there was no way the Eagles could be sure that Hurts would last all the way to pick 53.

That's the best part about drafting a QB when you don't need one.  You can play games and take risks that help you marry value to your efforts to obtain another or potentially better QB

Brugler released his top 100 (paywall)

Here is where the QBs rank

Ward- 15
Sanders- 25
Dart- 57
Slough- 59
Milroe- 61
Howard- 84

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6109189/2025/02/11/nfl-draft-2025-prospect-rankings-top-100/

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2025, 12:05:27 PMBrugler released his top 100 (paywall)

Here is where the QBs rank

Ward- 15
Sanders- 25
Dart- 57
Slough- 59
Milroe- 61
Howard- 84

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6109189/2025/02/11/nfl-draft-2025-prospect-rankings-top-100/

Ward and Sanders will remain the top two. Dart might sneak into the first round for a QB hungry team.

I know he isn't in the title, but McCord seems like a popular prospect here


Hey all,
Back with the next installment of my 2025 NFL Draft Scouting Reports! This week, I'm doing an in-depth analysis of Syracuse quarterback, Kyle McCord! You can get to the video and article that have full details of the grade breakdowns with the links below:
YouTube Video Link: https://youtu.be/kq_NIeKFbmI
Article Link: https://open.substack.com/pub/backseatscout/p/2025-nfl-draft-quarterback-scouting-92b?r=4g3h7y&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
Also, if you want to check my 2024 grades for QBs and other players, you can check them out with this link here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z_lZ_eUMcdywnUwiyOejaUnkDlf3gd6R2SiefqEDLnY/edit?usp=sharing
Kyle McCord, Syracuse
Height: 6'3"; Weight: 220 pounds
Age on Draft Day: 22 years and 7 months
Class: Senior
Overall Grade: 2.69/4 (May Have a Future Role)
2024 Stats:
Passing: 391/592 (66%); 4779 yards; 34 TDs; 12 INTs
Rushing: 67 carries; -65 yards; 3 TDs; 5 Fumbles
2024 Games Charted: Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, Cal, Miami
Totals from Games Charted:
Short Throw Accuracy on Platform: 85/102 (83%)
Short Throw Accuracy off Platform: 43/60 (71.67%)
Medium Throw Accuracy on Platform: 84/116 (72.41%)
Medium Throw Accuracy off Platform: 19/26 (73.08%)
Intermediate Throw Accuracy on Platform: 34/54 (62.96%)
Intermediate Accuracy off Platform: 0/6 (0%)
Deep Throw Accuracy on Platform: 6/10 (60%)
Deep Throw Accuracy off Platform: N/A
Left Side of Field Accuracy: 122/162 (75.31%)
Middle of Field Accuracy: 36/46 (78.26%)
Right Side of Field Accuracy: 113/166 (68.07%)
Total Accuracy: 271/374 (72.46%)
On Platform, Way Off Target Throws (Vertical/Horizontal): 5/7 (1.25/1.75 per game)
Off Platform, Way Off Target Throws (Vertical/Horizontal): 2/4 (0.5/1 per game)
Sacks/Fumbles: 10/2 (2.5/0.5 per game)
Deflections/Pass Interference: 6/2 (1.5/0.5 per game)
Throwaways/INTs/Dropped INTs: 8/5/6 (2/1.25/1.5 per game)
Drops: 6 (1.5 per game)
Designed Runs/Scrambles: 8/4 (2/1 per game)
Success vs Blitz: 45/82 (54.88%)
Success vs Pressure: 56/104 (53.85%)
Footwork: D+
Pocket Presence: B-
"Playmaking": C-
Short Throw Accuracy: A-
Medium Throw Accuracy: B+
Intermediate Throw Accuracy: B
Deep Throw Accuracy: B+
Throw on the Run: B+
Success Against Pressure/Blitz: B-
Arm Strength: B-
Release: B+
Ball Security: C+
Top Starter Potential: C-
Final Strengths:

• Gutsy passer
• Protects pass catchers
• Release
• Often gets the ball out quickly
• Accuracy in all areas of the field

Final Areas of Improvement:

• Footwork
• Can get hot/cold
• Loses track of pass rush on deeper concepts
• Lots of staring down his read
• Turnover-prone

Comp: Bailey Zappe
Current QB Rankings:

• Cam Ward, Miami; Overall Grade: 3.05 (Good Starter)
• Shedeur Sanders, Colorado; Overall Grade: 3 (Good Starter)
• Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss; Overall Grade: 2.77 (Good Role Player)
• Kyle McCord, Syracuse; Overall Grade: 2.69 (May Have a Future Role)
• Will Howard, Ohio State; Overall Grade: 2.67 (May Have a Future Role)
• Jalen Milroe, Alabama; Overall Grade: 2.46 (Needs Improvement to Contribute)
• Quinn Ewers, Texas; Overall Grade: 2.39 (Needs Improvement to Contribute)

https://old.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/1imz555/backseat_scouts_kyle_mccord_2025_nfl_draft_eval/

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2025, 12:54:54 PMI know he isn't in the title, but McCord seems like a popular prospect here


Hey all,
Back with the next installment of my 2025 NFL Draft Scouting Reports! This week, I'm doing an in-depth analysis of Syracuse quarterback, Kyle McCord! You can get to the video and article that have full details of the grade breakdowns with the links below:
YouTube Video Link: https://youtu.be/kq_NIeKFbmI
Article Link: https://open.substack.com/pub/backseatscout/p/2025-nfl-draft-quarterback-scouting-92b?r=4g3h7y&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
Also, if you want to check my 2024 grades for QBs and other players, you can check them out with this link here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1z_lZ_eUMcdywnUwiyOejaUnkDlf3gd6R2SiefqEDLnY/edit?usp=sharing
Kyle McCord, Syracuse
Height: 6'3"; Weight: 220 pounds
Age on Draft Day: 22 years and 7 months
Class: Senior
Overall Grade: 2.69/4 (May Have a Future Role)
2024 Stats:
Passing: 391/592 (66%); 4779 yards; 34 TDs; 12 INTs
Rushing: 67 carries; -65 yards; 3 TDs; 5 Fumbles
2024 Games Charted: Georgia Tech, Pittsburgh, Cal, Miami
Totals from Games Charted:
Short Throw Accuracy on Platform: 85/102 (83%)
Short Throw Accuracy off Platform: 43/60 (71.67%)
Medium Throw Accuracy on Platform: 84/116 (72.41%)
Medium Throw Accuracy off Platform: 19/26 (73.08%)
Intermediate Throw Accuracy on Platform: 34/54 (62.96%)
Intermediate Accuracy off Platform: 0/6 (0%)
Deep Throw Accuracy on Platform: 6/10 (60%)
Deep Throw Accuracy off Platform: N/A
Left Side of Field Accuracy: 122/162 (75.31%)
Middle of Field Accuracy: 36/46 (78.26%)
Right Side of Field Accuracy: 113/166 (68.07%)
Total Accuracy: 271/374 (72.46%)
On Platform, Way Off Target Throws (Vertical/Horizontal): 5/7 (1.25/1.75 per game)
Off Platform, Way Off Target Throws (Vertical/Horizontal): 2/4 (0.5/1 per game)
Sacks/Fumbles: 10/2 (2.5/0.5 per game)
Deflections/Pass Interference: 6/2 (1.5/0.5 per game)
Throwaways/INTs/Dropped INTs: 8/5/6 (2/1.25/1.5 per game)
Drops: 6 (1.5 per game)
Designed Runs/Scrambles: 8/4 (2/1 per game)
Success vs Blitz: 45/82 (54.88%)
Success vs Pressure: 56/104 (53.85%)
Footwork: D+
Pocket Presence: B-
"Playmaking": C-
Short Throw Accuracy: A-
Medium Throw Accuracy: B+
Intermediate Throw Accuracy: B
Deep Throw Accuracy: B+
Throw on the Run: B+
Success Against Pressure/Blitz: B-
Arm Strength: B-
Release: B+
Ball Security: C+
Top Starter Potential: C-
Final Strengths:

• Gutsy passer
• Protects pass catchers
• Release
• Often gets the ball out quickly
• Accuracy in all areas of the field

Final Areas of Improvement:

• Footwork
• Can get hot/cold
• Loses track of pass rush on deeper concepts
• Lots of staring down his read
• Turnover-prone

Comp: Bailey Zappe
Current QB Rankings:

• Cam Ward, Miami; Overall Grade: 3.05 (Good Starter)
• Shedeur Sanders, Colorado; Overall Grade: 3 (Good Starter)
• Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss; Overall Grade: 2.77 (Good Role Player)
• Kyle McCord, Syracuse; Overall Grade: 2.69 (May Have a Future Role)
• Will Howard, Ohio State; Overall Grade: 2.67 (May Have a Future Role)
• Jalen Milroe, Alabama; Overall Grade: 2.46 (Needs Improvement to Contribute)
• Quinn Ewers, Texas; Overall Grade: 2.39 (Needs Improvement to Contribute)

https://old.reddit.com/r/NFL_Draft/comments/1imz555/backseat_scouts_kyle_mccord_2025_nfl_draft_eval/

My Bo Nix of 2025.

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 11, 2025, 01:58:32 PMMy Bo Nix of 2025.

It may just be me but I would be more ecstatic with the Giants taking Dart or Mccord even at 3, than if they took Sanders at 3.