Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 20, 2025, 01:08:20 PMGreg (whose opinions I respect immensely) didn't seem all that excited by Dart

He's hit or miss, I mean I've seen him be spot on with Jordan Love, and way off with Carson Wentz. I think all scouts have huge hits and big misses. With these new offenses and the way the game is changing I wonder how that changes evaluations and the old heads scouting.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 20, 2025, 02:37:42 PMHe's hit or miss, I mean I've seen him be spot on with Jordan Love, and way off with Carson Wentz. I think all scouts have huge hits and big misses. With these new offenses and the way the game is changing I wonder how that changes evaluations and the old heads scouting.

Jess,

When it comes to QBs, I have seen Greg hit on far more than he misses.   

https://x.com/FirstTake/status/1892259118271922182

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 20, 2025, 02:37:42 PMHe's hit or miss, I mean I've seen him be spot on with Jordan Love, and way off with Carson Wentz. I think all scouts have huge hits and big misses. With these new offenses and the way the game is changing I wonder how that changes evaluations and the old heads scouting.

I will add this: I am waiting to hear what Greg has to say next week on Ross Tucker's show, as less than a minute didn't really give Greg the time to provide a proper report on Dart.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 20, 2025, 02:45:38 PMJess,

When it comes to QBs, I have seen Greg hit on far more than he misses.   

No I agree, I was trying to make a broader statement in general as to how things might change for scouts going forward as the game evolves for some of these older scouts.

Just for an example Belichick was an elite gm and talent evaluator. then out of nowhere he had 6 horrible drafts in a row as if the game somewhat passed him by to an extent. I wonder if the same can be said for scouts, as they seem to get significantly younger. You rarely see that many older scouts these days, but maybe I am wrong.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 20, 2025, 02:37:42 PMHe's hit or miss, I mean I've seen him be spot on with Jordan Love, and way off with Carson Wentz. I think all scouts have huge hits and big misses. With these new offenses and the way the game is changing I wonder how that changes evaluations and the old heads scouting.

He didn't miss on Wentz who had four excellent seasons to start his career. It's impossible to measure a players psyche. Wentz never recovered mentally from his backup winning the Super Bowl and having a statue erected outside the stadium. The fans in Philly turned on him shortly thereafter.

My biggest apprehension with Dart has nothing to do with Dart himself which is somewhat unfair. Kiffin is a quarterback whisperer who made Matt Corral look like a bonafkde stud even though he was a chump. How much of Dart's success is on him, versus throwing to wide open receivers. He has the tools, and IMHO he's either going to be an epic steal or a colossal bust. I don't see much in between for him.

Frankly he the type of quarterback we should have drafted two years from the end of Eli's career. It would have given us a chance to figure out what he is before needing to count on him.

If I am reading this correctly. Saunders would be the 8th best QB in last year's draft? Ward would be tied with being the 5th/6th best? Tied with Nix?


"When you look at this group compared to last year, I had Cam Ward with the same grade as (Broncos quarterback) Bo Nix, so that would put him behind the top four for me, so he would be in the fifth range," Jeremiah said.

"(Falcons quarterback) Michael Penix I had just slightly ahead of Shedeur, so Shedeur would be behind (Bears quarterback) Caleb (Williams), (Patriots quarterback) Drake (Maye), (Commanders quarterback) Jayden (Daniels), (Vikings quarterback J.J.) McCarthy, Nix, and Penix. 

"Then I would have Shedeur right behind that group," Jeremiah added.



https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/nfl-draft-analyst-weighs-in-on-best-quarterback-fit-for-giants/ar-AA1ztEmO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=NMTS&cvid=c895241256694fcb89a443097d040973&ei=9

Quote from: madbadger on February 20, 2025, 07:11:45 PMHe didn't miss on Wentz who had four excellent seasons to start his career. It's impossible to measure a players psyche. Wentz never recovered mentally from his backup winning the Super Bowl and having a statue erected outside the stadium. The fans in Philly turned on him shortly thereafter.

My biggest apprehension with Dart has nothing to do with Dart himself which is somewhat unfair. Kiffin is a quarterback whisperer who made Matt Corral look like a bonafkde stud even though he was a chump. How much of Dart's success is on him, versus throwing to wide open receivers. He has the tools, and IMHO he's either going to be an epic steal or a colossal bust. I don't see much in between for him.

Frankly he the type of quarterback we should have drafted two years from the end of Eli's career. It would have given us a chance to figure out what he is before needing to count on him.

I agree with this view.  My only caveat is I'd call Lane more of an Offensive Whisperer rather than a QB Whisperer given that his QBs have not fared well afterward.

https://x.com/FoxworthShow/status/1892913525929943368

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 20, 2025, 11:43:33 AMhttps://fanduel.com/research/ranking-the-top-quarterback-prospects-in-the-2025-nfl-draft-by-their-college-stats

Here's parts of the article  I found it absolutely fascinating, and suggest anyone with time go look at the charts and graphs.

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Based on that, Dart would have to be considered a prospect in the Williams/Daniels/Maye tier - too bad we draft #3.

https://x.com/NFLRookieWatxh/status/1893055677850939735

https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1893763375269548092?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 23, 2025, 03:51:09 PMhttps://x.com/rapsheet/status/1893763375269548092?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

All his actions speak of Buyer Beware.

Giants legend Phil Simms makes feelings known on Cam Ward as rumors intensify ahead of 2025 NFL Draft

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-giants-legend-phil-simms-makes-feelings-known-cam-ward-rumors-intensify-ahead-2025-nfl-draft

Shedeur Sanders goes luxury car shopping in Las Vegas amid NFL Draft buzz

Shedeur Sanders is making headlines again, but this time, it's not for his skills on the field. The Colorado Buffaloes star quarterback was spotted in Las Vegas this week, browsing high-end vehicles at Vegas Auto Gallery.

With the 2025 NFL Draft just two months away, Sanders' trip to Sin City has only fueled speculation about his future as a potential top-five pick. Joined by his older brother, Bucky, who documented the outing for Well Off Media, Shedeur set his sights on a Rolls-Royce Phantom with an Exterior Black Diamond finish and an Interior Grace White w/Peony Red Accents.

The luxury sedan comes with a hefty $495,000 price tag, but Sanders noted he would close the deal if it came in an earth green color—adding his personal touch to an already extravagant ride.

https://www.si.com/college/colorado/football/colorado-qb-shedeur-sanders-won-t-throw-at-2025-nfl-combine