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Cam Ward VS Shedeur Sanders VS Jaxson Dart

Started by MightyGiants, February 02, 2025, 05:19:06 PM

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Ed Vette

"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MightyGiants

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 23, 2025, 08:40:56 PMhttps://thesportsrush.com/nfl-news-qb-guru-backs-syracuse-oranges-kyle-mccord-as-the-biggest-surprise-of-the-2025-draft-class-this-dudes-going-to-start-for-a-long-time-in-the-league/

I am intrigued by McCord.  Although he fails to meet many of Parcell's rules, including being a 3 year starter, winning 23 games, and starting 30 games.  I think McCord could be a find, but I think he's a bigger risk than most.
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MightyGiants

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 23, 2025, 08:31:54 PMAll his actions speak of Buyer Beware.

I am mindful that Daniels and Caleb didn't work out last year.  However, I think when one is a consensus top pick, you have a different situation than you have when you are a QB who might be drafted high, but haven't proven that you should be.
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Sanders drops 4 spots to 15 in Jeremiah's 2nd top 50.  He used the term "undersized," which I just started to hear being said of him


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2025-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-2-0?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
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Gmo11

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 24, 2025, 11:42:56 AMhttps://x.com/RapSheet/status/1894057967135105339

I would be STUNNED if Ward does a single drill.  Makes sense for Dart to do stuff though as he's trying to catch the other guys at the top of the draft and potentially move ahead of them. 

MightyGiants

Quote from: Gmo11 on February 24, 2025, 01:05:23 PMI would be STUNNED if Ward does a single drill.  Makes sense for Dart to do stuff though as he's trying to catch the other guys at the top of the draft and potentially move ahead of them. 

Sanders and Ward are acting like they are elite QB prospects.  I don't see either of them in that category.  The two of them should be putting in the work, especially Sanders, who ended the season on a sour note.

This sort of reminds me of CJ Stroud (who participated in the Combine) and Bryce Young (who did not). 
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Ed Vette

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 24, 2025, 01:09:54 PMSanders and Ward are acting like they are elite QB prospects.  I don't see either of them in that category.  The two of them should be putting in the work, especially Sanders, who ended the season on a sour note.

This sort of reminds me of CJ Stroud (who participated in the Combine) and Bryce Young (who did not). 
Absolutely. Especially Cam Ward who can wow with his outside the numbers throws. I can understand avoiding contact or drills that would potentially cause injury, but working with League Coaches and Players and demonstrating what sets you apart is important. Sanders also passed on the Senior Bowl practices. He's already dropping like a rock. When a RB and a TE out slot a QB, it speaks volumes.   
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Gmo11

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 24, 2025, 01:09:54 PMSanders and Ward are acting like they are elite QB prospects.  I don't see either of them in that category.  The two of them should be putting in the work, especially Sanders, who ended the season on a sour note.

This sort of reminds me of CJ Stroud (who participated in the Combine) and Bryce Young (who did not). 
They are acting like it because they are going to be taken as elite prospects.  You're making their point for them.  They need to limit anything that can expose them of being not as good as they are currently projected to go.  Nothing they do is going to increase their draft stock.  Both guys are going in the top 5.  But if they do something to scare teams away...that's another story. 

Gmo11

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 24, 2025, 01:09:54 PMSanders and Ward are acting like they are elite QB prospects.  I don't see either of them in that category.  The two of them should be putting in the work, especially Sanders, who ended the season on a sour note.

This sort of reminds me of CJ Stroud (who participated in the Combine) and Bryce Young (who did not). 
They are acting like it because they are going to be taken as elite prospects.  You're making their point for them.  They need to limit anything that can expose them of being not as good as they are currently projected to go.  Nothing they do is going to increase their draft stock.  Both guys are going in the top 5.  But if they do something to scare teams away...that's another story. 

Dart isn't likely going in the top 10...yet.  He can actually increase his stock by crushing all the drills at the combine.  So that's why it makes sense for him.  And Milroe for that matter. 

MightyGiants

Quote from: Gmo11 on February 24, 2025, 02:12:58 PMThey are acting like it because they are going to be taken as elite prospects.  You're making their point for them.  They need to limit anything that can expose them of being not as good as they are currently projected to go.  Nothing they do is going to increase their draft stock.  Both guys are going in the top 5.  But if they do something to scare teams away...that's another story. 

Dart isn't likely going in the top 10...yet.  He can actually increase his stock by crushing all the drills at the combine.  So that's why it makes sense for him.  And Milroe for that matter. 

I think we are addressing the issue from different vantage points.  I am addressing it from a team perspective while you are addressing it from a player's perspective
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Gmo11

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 24, 2025, 02:15:19 PMI think we are addressing the issue from different vantage points.  I am addressing it from a team perspective while you are addressing it from a player's perspective

I believe you're right.  Teams would for sure want them to do as much stuff as possible as they attempt to evaluate a pick that they will likely be tied to for good or bad for the rest of their careers.  But for the player, there's little to no incentive to do any of that. 


madbadger

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 24, 2025, 07:51:11 AMI am intrigued by McCord.  Although he fails to meet many of Parcell's rules, including being a 3 year starter, winning 23 games, and starting 30 games.  I think McCord could be a find, but I think he's a bigger risk than most.


Parcells rules are outdated. The number of guys that fit all three requirements are minuscule. Using his rules we would have passed on Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen.