Big Blue Huddle

Cam Ward has a bit of a wildcard factor to him that I find enticing. I don't get that at all with Shedeur. His ceiling feels very defined and, I'm afraid, not very high.

With very few cant blue chip type prospects, it would baffle me that the Giants would select what appears to be mediocre players at 3 just because they need a QB.

At 3 take Hunter, Carter or Graham.

Quote from: Philosophers on February 25, 2025, 06:13:22 AMWith very few cant blue chip type prospects, it would baffle me that the Giants would select what appears to be mediocre players at 3 just because they need a QB.

At 3 take Hunter, Carter or Graham.

You keep forgetting the situation they are in. That the owner put them in. He demanded a QB. If the owner had a clue, he would have fired the GM and coach, hired a new GM and coach who then would be given the time to rebuild the team and would not be forced to take a QB. But no, either they take Sanders or Ward or they commit the biggest blunder in Giant history and pay big bucks to sign a 37 year old QB to a bad team. I"d rather them take the rookie QB. Either way, they are lost for the immediate future.

Quote from: katkavage on February 25, 2025, 07:08:42 AMYou keep forgetting the situation they are in. That the owner put them in. He demanded a QB. If the owner had a clue, he would have fired the GM and coach, hired a new GM and coach who then would be given the time to rebuild the team and would not be forced to take a QB. But no, either they take Sanders or Ward or they commit the biggest blunder in Giant history and pay big bucks to sign a 37 year old QB to a bad team. I"d rather them take the rookie QB. Either way, they are lost for the immediate future.

What about continuing to build the team this year in a weak QB class and drafting one in 2026? 

Quote from: Philosophers on February 25, 2025, 07:25:37 AMWhat about continuing to build the team this year in a weak QB class and drafting one in 2026? 

That's exactly what a new GM and head coach would do knowing they have time. The dynamic duo Mara retained can't survive a 3-5 win season. Who in their right mind would keep them after three real bad losing seasons and draft a rookie QB in 2026 who, unless he is Jayden Daniels or C.J Stroud, will not deliver results in his first year. The Giants are doing things ass backwards, but that's on the owner.

Multiple league insiders are convinced the Giants have their sights on Sanders, but that would not necessarily keep the team from targeting a more experienced option at the position. The Giants had Super Bowl-winning quarterback Kurt Warner as their starter when they drafted Eli Manning with the No. 1 pick.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/43953938/giants-qb-decision-front-burner-nfl-combine

If Tony Pauline's sources are correct, the only chance the Giants have at Ward is to trade up with the Ttans



https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-nfl-combine-latest-shedeur-sanders-cam-ward-draft-stock-browns-plan

Quote from: madbadger on February 24, 2025, 07:36:12 PMParcells rules are outdated. The number of guys that fit all three requirements are minuscule. Using his rules we would have passed on Pat Mahomes and Josh Allen.

and @kingm56

Things are not as simple as you believe


For Parcells to consider drafting a quarterback they must meet the following seven criteria;

Be a three-year starter
Be a senior in college
Graduate from college
Start 30 games
Win 23 games
Post a 2:1 Touchdown to interception ratio
Complete at least 60% of passes thrown

Hits

Matthew Stafford
Drew Brees
Andrew Luck
Lamar Jackson
Kirk Cousins
Derek Carr
Brock Purdy


Misses

Kyler Murray
Cam Newton
Tom Brady
Aaron Rodgers
Pat Mahomes
Josh Allen

Avoiding Busts

This, however, is where I think the focus should be. The system would have helped us avoid these significant bust picks at the most important position in a Superflex league (note next to the names are how many of the criteria they hit).

Mitch Trubisky (2/7)
Trey Lance (2/7)
Zach Wilson (3/7)
Justin Fields (2/7)
Sam Darnold (2/7

https://www.kingfantasysports.com/dynasty-qbs-using-bill-parcells-rules/

Phil John
@PoshplaysFF
2025 QB Prospects vs. Parcells' Rules

Here's how the 2025 QB class stack up AFTER the 24 season heading into the April's draft...

Cam Ward (Miami) – 7/7

Shedeur Sanders (Colorado) – 6/7 didn't graduate

Jaxson Dart (Ole Miss) – 6/7 took wins to 29 and started his third season. Couldn't find confirmation of graduation.

Jalen Milroe (Alabama) – 5/7 2 year starter who started 28 games

Quinn Ewers (Texas) – 5/7 Three year starter, 36 career starts, 27 wins. Couldn't find confirmation of graduation

https://x.com/PoshplaysFF/status/1893045599831834772

Always give me the gamer, the kid that doesn't care and just wants to compete. Whether it's the bowl game, senior bowl, or combine, give me the kid willing to make mistakes and grow.

There is a very real chance teams fall in love with Dart, the gamer in him, the arm, the 40 etc at the combine and he surpasses Sanders as a lot of scouts have started to sour on Sanders.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 25, 2025, 09:53:01 AMAlways give me the gamer, the kid that doesn't care and just wants to compete. Whether it's the bowl game, senior bowl, or combine, give me the kid willing to make mistakes and grow.

There is a very real chance teams fall in love with Dart, the gamer in him, the arm, the 40 etc at the combine and he surpasses Sanders as a lot of scouts have started to sour on Sanders.

He's definitely growing on me.  I've still got Ward at the top but Sanders/Dart relatively even for me.  It'll kinda depend on the team picking as to which you prefer.  Which player fits which scheme better.  All things considered I think Dart is a better fit but also a bigger risk if it doesn't work out.

https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1891536816882229588

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 25, 2025, 11:35:57 AMhttps://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1891536816882229588

I'm not sure I agree with that sentiment. I'll take our very young skill position group of Nabers, Robinson, Tracey and Johnson over theirs of Bowers, Meyers, Tucker and Mattison. If, and admittedly it's a big if, Thomas can stay healthy we are one, maybe two players away from having a good offensive line to protect whoever our quarterback is next year.

Quote from: madbadger on February 25, 2025, 12:24:04 PMI'm not sure I agree with that sentiment. I'll take our very young skill position group of Nabers, Robinson, Tracey and Johnson over theirs of Bowers, Meyers, Tucker and Mattison. If, and admittedly it's a big if, Thomas can stay healthy we are one, maybe two players away from having a good offensive line to protect whoever our quarterback is next year.

Here is the PFF for the Giants and Raiders offenses

https://x.com/RossTuckerPod/status/1894369477879284032

https://x.com/danorlovsky7/status/1894398943225667871