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Tony Pauline says the Giants are in the veteran guard market

https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1896367354013172018

https://x.com/talkingiants/status/1896655656842838372?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

To attract free agents to the Giants this off season they will have to heavily outbid other teams. All things equal, who is coming to a losing dysfunctional franchise where the coach and GM are practically lame ducks? They will get some by outspending significantly.

Quote from: katkavage on March 03, 2025, 06:44:50 PMTo attract free agents to the Giants this off season they will have to heavily outbid other teams. All things equal, who is coming to a losing dysfunctional franchise where the coach and GM are practically lame ducks? They will get some by outspending significantly.

If they get those two things in FA and draft a QB that can play competently (Not spectacularly mind you. Just be competent.) then this team is going to be pretty good. There's a lot of talent on this roster but none of it will matter if the QB plays like Daniel Jones.

Quote from: Gmo11 on March 03, 2025, 07:55:14 PMIf they get those two things in FA and draft a QB that can play competently (Not spectacularly mind you. Just be competent.) then this team is going to be pretty good. There's a lot of talent on this roster but none of it will matter if the QB plays like Daniel Jones.

A lot of talent?

Quote from: Philosophers on March 03, 2025, 08:36:04 PMA lot of talent?

Hard to know what you have when the qb can't throw the ball, so talent can't develop, and the defense is never playing with a lead. We had what 11, 1 score games this past season with injuries, and horrible qb play. Imagine what a few extra pieces, and good qb play could do for a young team.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 03, 2025, 08:43:39 PMHard to know what you have when the qb can't throw the ball, so talent can't develop, and the defense is never playing with a lead. We had what 11, 1 score games this past season with injuries, and horrible qb play. Imagine what a few extra pieces, and good qb play could do for a young team.

You are what your record says it is.

Quote from: katkavage on March 03, 2025, 08:49:17 PMYou are what your record says it is.

Until you start playing again. That is the beauty of sport. A clean slate each season with a chance to put things right. Without an answer at QB it is hard to see progress but IF we find one, we probably extrapolate out between what Washington did and what Chicago did (subject to our other changes). For now all any of us can do is wait and hope Schoen has an A+ offseason. Hope not expectation for sure but hope nonetheless.

Quote from: katkavage on March 03, 2025, 08:49:17 PMYou are what your record says it is.

Sums it up.  Giants are much worse than 1 QB away.

They have no depth.  The Giants starters are always injured.  That alone will keep them sub-0.500.

This living in a vacuum thinking that completely ignores this fact is perplexing to me.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 03, 2025, 03:40:39 PMhttps://x.com/talkingiants/status/1896655656842838372?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

If this isn't our #1 target at G I will be very surprised

Quote from: katkavage on March 03, 2025, 08:49:17 PMYou are what your record says it is.

Yes, and last year they were a terrible team quite possibly with the worst group of QBs in the entire league.  Their record would have had a lot more wins on it had they had even mediocre QB play last season.  And with FA and the draft this year not only are they getting a QB they will also plug a couple other remaining holes.  OR they'll fall flat on their face and everybody gets fired.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 04, 2025, 07:14:10 AMSums it up.  Giants are much worse than 1 QB away.

They have no depth.  The Giants starters are always injured.  That alone will keep them sub-0.500.

This living in a vacuum thinking that completely ignores this fact is perplexing to me.

How many teams have extensive depth? Maybe KC, Baltimore, and Philly? Outside maybe 4 teams, none of these other teams have exstensive depth. It's why the Texans and Lions floundered in the playoffs because they had starters injured and didn't have said depth. There might be 4 teams that could have injuries at multiple positions and be able to play through it and thrive.

The defense lacks talent all over the field, yet it's the QBs fault for their shortcomings? Crazy!

They have 2 building block pieces on defense in Dex and Burns. They have 2 young pieces who might turn into something with Phillips and Nubin. And then 5-6 replacement level guys.

They need 2 DEs. They need 2 LBs. they need 2 CBs. They need a FS. It's simply not true that there's "a lot of talent" on this roster. They're bottom 5 in the league, easy.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 04, 2025, 02:53:23 PMHow many teams have extensive depth? Maybe KC, Baltimore, and Philly? Outside maybe 4 teams, none of these other teams have exstensive depth. It's why the Texans and Lions floundered in the playoffs because they had starters injured and didn't have said depth. There might be 4 teams that could have injuries at multiple positions and be able to play through it and thrive.

It's not barbelled.  The Giants are bottom 3 in starting talent which makes them likely bottom 3 in depth.

How many years does the Giants OL have to go down with injuries then backups fail then team loses for you to see how they have horrible depth?  It's not average.  It's horrible.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 05, 2025, 06:46:04 AMIt's not barbelled.  The Giants are bottom 3 in starting talent which makes them likely bottom 3 in depth.

How many years does the Giants OL have to go down with injuries then backups fail then team loses for you to see how they have horrible depth?  It's not average.  It's horrible.

This is gospel.

All the more reason that this whole QB talk stuff, especially the insanity of trading away draft capital to move to #1, needs to stop and the focus be centered on the draft capital they currently possess and the potential value it can buy them in terms of talent addition.

The healthy balance of smart, affordable free agency signings, along with good drafting, for three years or so will finally get this team's talent back on par with the rest of the league.

Initial grading of the 2024 draft has been promising. Nail this upcoming draft and, as long as the 2024 guys show improvement, and the team can improve their injury rate, the final product should begin to show signs of progress and improvement.

That's why stable, general progress is more important right now than throwing s young QB into a takent-lacking football team. Improve the team, in general, in 2025 with a bridge QB, then go get the franchise QB in 2026 while continuing to add more talent to s team which should now be showing signs of improvement in talent with improving depth.

It's the best way to dig yourself out of a hole and have your team standing on good footing going forward.

Peace!