Draft needs after a week of free agency

[MightyGiants]

Here are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets

Must have

Franchise QB
3 Tech DT
Backup NT

Want to have

Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to rotation


Would like to have

RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB

[kartanoman]

Here are the biggest needs I see put in three buckets

Must have

Franchise QB
3 Tech DT
Backup NT

Want to have

Offensive lineman (guard or tackle)
Edge Rusher to add to rotation


Would like to have

RB to pair with Tracy
More O-line
Another WR
ILB

I'm good with your list, Rich @MightyGiants  . You know my only input would involve moving offensive line into the "Must Have" department. They are doing a good job in free agency signing depth; however, they still need to add two, possibly three more, through the draft (NOTE: though I suspect it might be one or two).

I would have included, as a "nice to have," a kicker to challenge Graham Gano. But the Giants resigned Jude McAtamney to a Reserves/Future Contract for 2025 so that more than works for me. It was good that the Irish lad had an opportunity to get some real game action last season and I'm hopeful he will continue to develop and, one day, take over for Gano when it's that time.

Peace!

[Kugs53]

Franchise QB.
What exactly does this mean?
Is it the QB that leads your team for the next ten years?
Is it the guy who pushes you over the top to contend for the Super Bowl?
Some of the Qb's that have won a Super Bowl were not so super.
To name a few Nick Foles, Mark Rypien,Trent Dilfer these are a few of a long list.
Neither Ward of Sanders to me and I am no professional seem to be the guy to sell out for.
I think you need to build the team from the inside out.
Both lines especially on offense need to get stronger.
I look at the Giants as a 5 win team and it could be worse.
Get a bridge QB maybe draft one in the 4 the round.
Next year they will be picking in the top five with a much more robust QB class.
They need depth at every position.
The next few weeks will be very interesting.

[Jolly Blue Giant]

I put a CB in the "must have" category. Unless Banks turns things around, he is not acting like a CB1 IMO. Maybe it was the "sophomore slump", that is common with players in most sports, as computers and analytics learn how to find a player's weaknesses and then exploit it. Very common with hitters in baseball, only with computers, it only takes a couple of months for a rookie to go from phenom to potential bust. In years past, managers took notes on each hitter, and he'd keep a tally on what pitch the hitter struggled with, and it took a year to gather enough paper data in a little book in the manager's back pocket. Now it happens in a few weeks as a computer prints out a scatter pattern, hit pattern, and every imaginable aspect of the player. And the data isn't collected by the manager, who took notes only when they played against the team. Now there are analysts across the country, scouring every game a player is in, facing a litany of opposing players

I guess the good news, is that if opposing teams have data to exploit a player, so does the player's coach, who can then help the player address and fix particular issues. I still have hopes for Banks, but I'm not holding my breath thinking he's a shoo-in as our future CB1

[MightyGiants]

Franchise QB.
What exactly does this mean?
Is it the QB that leads your team for the next ten years?
Is it the guy who pushes you over the top to contend for the Super Bowl?
Some of the Qb's that have won a Super Bowl were not so super.
To name a few Nick Foles, Mark Rypien,Trent Dilfer these are a few of a long list.
Neither Ward of Sanders to me and I am no professional seem to be the guy to sell out for.
I think you need to build the team fro the inside out.
Both lines especially on offense need to get stronger.
I look a the Giants a a 5 win team and it could be worse.
Get a bridge QB maybe draft one in the 4 the round.
Next year they will be picking in the top five with a much more robust QB class.
They need depth at every position.
The next few weeks will be very interesting.

I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB.  If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly

Ideally, you want a top 5 QB, an elite QB.  Those are very hard to find.

Below the franchise, you have a JAG or bridge QB. You are not likely to make many playoffs with one of them.

We hope next year's QB class will be better, but that's far from certain.

[MightyGiants]

I'm good with your list, Rich @MightyGiants  . You know my only input would involve moving offensive line into the "Must Have" department. They are doing a good job in free agency signing depth; however, they still need to add two, possibly three more, through the draft (NOTE: though I suspect it might be one or two).

I would have included, as a "nice to have," a kicker to challenge Graham Gano. But the Giants resigned Jude McAtamney to a Reserves/Future Contract for 2025 so that more than works for me. It was good that the Irish lad had an opportunity to get some real game action last season and I'm hopeful he will continue to develop and, one day, take over for Gano when it's that time.

Peace!

The O-line isn't the strength of the draft.  I want to see one or two drafted because I think you should always be drafting O-line, but if they didn't, I believe the team could try and get by with what they have on their roster

[MightyGiants]

I put a CB in the "must have" category. Unless Banks turns things around, he is not acting like a CB1 IMO. Maybe it was the "sophomore slump", that is common with players in most sports, as computers and analytics learn how to find a player's weaknesses and then exploit it. Very common with hitters in baseball, only with computers, it only takes a couple of months for a rookie to go from phenom to potential bust. In years past, managers took notes on each hitter, and he'd keep a tally on what pitch the hitter struggled with, and it took a year to gather enough paper data in a little book in the manager's back pocket. Now it happens in a few weeks as a computer prints out a scatter pattern, hit pattern, and every imaginable aspect of the player. And the data isn't collected by the manager, who took notes only when they played against the team. Now there are analysts across the country, scouring every game a player is in, facing a litany of opposing players

I guess the good news, is that if opposing teams have data to exploit a player, so does the player's coach, who can then help the player address and fix particular issues. I still have hopes for Banks, but I'm not holding my breath thinking he's a shoo-in as our future CB1

The Giants still have Flott

[Ed Vette]

The Giants haven't exercised Thibodeaux's 5th year option yet. They haven't re=signed Ojulari. Carter may be the best pick if they sign Rodgers or Wilson. Then figure out the QB from the second round as the draft plays out. They did a lot of work in the secondary.

[Philosophers]

The Giants haven't exercised Thibodeaux's 5th year option yet. They haven't re=signed Ojulari. Carter may be the best pick if they sign Rodgers or Wilson. Then figure out the QB from the second round as the draft plays out. They did a lot of work in the secondary.

For everything you wrote, I can see Carter as the pick at 3.  It is a critical position and he is very talented.  Thibs has underwhelmed, Ojulari is oft injured and Burns is very expensive.

[Kugs53]

"I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB.  If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly."

Yes but the Giants don't have a good team.

[MightyGiants]

"I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB.  If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly."

Yes but the Giants don't have a good team.

I can't ague with that

[Jclayton92]

I put a CB in the "must have" category. Unless Banks turns things around, he is not acting like a CB1 IMO. Maybe it was the "sophomore slump", that is common with players in most sports, as computers and analytics learn how to find a player's weaknesses and then exploit it. Very common with hitters in baseball, only with computers, it only takes a couple of months for a rookie to go from phenom to potential bust. In years past, managers took notes on each hitter, and he'd keep a tally on what pitch the hitter struggled with, and it took a year to gather enough paper data in a little book in the manager's back pocket. Now it happens in a few weeks as a computer prints out a scatter pattern, hit pattern, and every imaginable aspect of the player. And the data isn't collected by the manager, who took notes only when they played against the team. Now there are analysts across the country, scouring every game a player is in, facing a litany of opposing players

I guess the good news, is that if opposing teams have data to exploit a player, so does the player's coach, who can then help the player address and fix particular issues. I still have hopes for Banks, but I'm not holding my breath thinking he's a shoo-in as our future CB1

If you look at his analytics he's top 5-10 he just needs to turn his head and make a play for the ball. I fully believe Henderson got fired because he couldn't teach Banks to do that. He's super sticky, just needs to turn his head.

[Jclayton92]

"I define a franchise QB as a top 10-12 QB.  If you have a good team with a franchise QB you should be making the playoffs regularly."

Yes but the Giants don't have a good team.

With a top 10 Qb the Giants are a playoff team without hesitation.

Players want to play for an elite qb where they think they can win a championship. Elire players take less, and vets sign for minimums to get a ring. It's how the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs, Eagles, and Lions have acquired depth that the other nfl teams have not. They sign guys for cheap and can draft bpa all the time to add even more depth.

The difference between the Giants and the mid teams like the Vikings, Packers, rams, etc isn't far off.

[londonblue]

FWIW I think we have three absolute needs (through remaining free agency and the draft) as a starter. Of course we have a lengthy catalogue of positions needing either rotational pieces or upgraded depth because we are not very good:

Starters
QB
3T
RG

Rotational
OLB/Edge
NT
WR
RB

Depth
C/G
Swing T
CB
ILB
ST coverage units

My wildcard is K. Is Gano healthy and fully effective? If not can McAtamney do it? If not?

If we hit the three key needs we have a chance to be competitive if we get some luck with lower draft picks helping rotation/depth, picking up camp cuts and minimising injuries. IF!!

[Jolly Blue Giant]

If you look at his analytics he's top 5-10 he just needs to turn his head and make a play for the ball. I fully believe Henderson got fired because he couldn't teach Banks to do that. He's super sticky, just needs to turn his head.

I hope it's that simple, and that the fix is equally that simple. I had high hopes for the kid

Rich brought up Cordell Flott, who has steadily gotten better, but not a CB1 contestant (IMO) unless something major happens. We also have Tre Hawkins. I'd love to read a story in a year or two about those two becoming quality players while being groomed by the Giants. It happens once in a while, where a team sticks with lesser knowns and with great training over a couple of years, and the drive within the player, and voilà, a starting NFL player