Winston it is!

[Ed Vette]

I doubt the Giants are looking at Sanders with this signing. These two QBs are in no way comparable. They would have to design two different Offensive Playbooks if they both start this year.

[Philosophers]

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I'm sure that's all true but if I have to bet, I'd rather bet on accuracy.  I'm just not convinced that can be taught.

Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes in college.  Was very inaccurate.  Got it fixed in the pros. 

[Ed Vette]

Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes in college.  Was very inaccurate.  Got it fixed in the pros. 

Not exactly. He got fixed with a company called Biometrics and Chris Hess. I've been preaching this for a while now, and I'll share it with you since you're a true student of the game.

[kingm56]

Josh Allen completed 56% of his passes in college.  Was very inaccurate.  Got it fixed in the pros. 

Joe,

Despite common perceptions that Josh Allen significantly "fixed" his accuracy issues, he is still among the lower-tier passers when it comes to raw completion percentage.

Completion Percentage: In the 2022 season, Allen posted a completion rate of 63.3%, placing him 25th among qualifying quarterbacks. This figure exactly mirrors his seven-year career average, reinforcing the notion that Allen's completion percentage is stagnating around that mark rather than displaying a clear, sustained upward trajectory.

Historical Trend: Allen has struggled with subpar accuracy for most of his career. Outside of a standout year in 2020, he has routinely ranked in the bottom 10 in terms of completion percentage. This pattern suggests that 2020 may have been an outlier rather than a paradigm shift in his overall ability to deliver pinpoint passes.

I highlight these points in the context that completions percentage is an overstated metric, which I think was your broader point.  Despite Allen's lower-than-average accuracy in comparison to many of his contemporaries, he still a top 3 QB because of the following:

Playmaking Ability: Allen's size, athleticism, and knack for improvisation offset his lackluster completion rates. His ability to extend plays, scramble for first downs, and throw on the run often compensates for missed throws in the short game. Quarterbacks with high completion percentages but minimal playmaking capacity frequently fail to replicate Allen's explosive impact on a game (see DJ).

Arm Strength: With arguably one of the strongest arms in the NFL, Allen's downfield vision creates scoring opportunities that would be difficult for a more accurate but less powerful passer to exploit. His deep-ball threat places enormous pressure on defenses, opening up intermediate routes and running lanes for both him and his skill-position players.

Red Zone Efficiency: Although completion percentage is a convenient statistic, Allen's success inside the red zone speaks to his broader capabilities. He routinely finds ways to convert key drives and produce touchdowns, whether through designed quarterback runs, broken-play scrambles, or riskier passes that only a QB with his velocity can attempt.

Intangibles: Beyond the numbers, Allen's leadership, competitive drive, and ability to rally his teammates are difficult to quantify but significantly impact the Bills' overall success. These qualities often outweigh raw accuracy, especially when combined with Allen's capacity to make plays most other quarterbacks can't.  This is what DJ was lacking and something very difficult to measure.

I would draft any QB with those attributes, regardless of their completion percentage. 

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/pff_moo/status/1903531442438893976?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

[Jclayton92]

Quickest ban in BBH history?

Impressive.

That's no fun to ban so early! It's quite fun working up people that feel the need to come into other teams forums. People like that where their whole existence revolves around trolling people are the first ones that start crying when you call them out on their ridiculous takes. Then they have to come up from their hideout in their basement and complain to their mom.

Also not sure which fan base he was apart of but we seem to get a ton of Packers fans in here compared to other groups.

[Philosophers]

Joe,

Despite common perceptions that Josh Allen significantly "fixed" his accuracy issues, he is still among the lower-tier passers when it comes to raw completion percentage.

Completion Percentage: In the 2022 season, Allen posted a completion rate of 63.3%, placing him 25th among qualifying quarterbacks. This figure exactly mirrors his seven-year career average, reinforcing the notion that Allen's completion percentage is stagnating around that mark rather than displaying a clear, sustained upward trajectory.

Historical Trend: Allen has struggled with subpar accuracy for most of his career. Outside of a standout year in 2020, he has routinely ranked in the bottom 10 in terms of completion percentage. This pattern suggests that 2020 may have been an outlier rather than a paradigm shift in his overall ability to deliver pinpoint passes.

I highlight these points in the context that completions percentage is an overstated metric, which I think was your broader point.  Despite Allen's lower-than-average accuracy in comparison to many of his contemporaries, he still a top 3 QB because of the following:

Playmaking Ability: Allen's size, athleticism, and knack for improvisation offset his lackluster completion rates. His ability to extend plays, scramble for first downs, and throw on the run often compensates for missed throws in the short game. Quarterbacks with high completion percentages but minimal playmaking capacity frequently fail to replicate Allen's explosive impact on a game (see DJ).

Arm Strength: With arguably one of the strongest arms in the NFL, Allen's downfield vision creates scoring opportunities that would be difficult for a more accurate but less powerful passer to exploit. His deep-ball threat places enormous pressure on defenses, opening up intermediate routes and running lanes for both him and his skill-position players.

Red Zone Efficiency: Although completion percentage is a convenient statistic, Allen's success inside the red zone speaks to his broader capabilities. He routinely finds ways to convert key drives and produce touchdowns, whether through designed quarterback runs, broken-play scrambles, or riskier passes that only a QB with his velocity can attempt.

Intangibles: Beyond the numbers, Allen's leadership, competitive drive, and ability to rally his teammates are difficult to quantify but significantly impact the Bills' overall success. These qualities often outweigh raw accuracy, especially when combined with Allen's capacity to make plays most other quarterbacks can't.  This is what DJ was lacking and something very difficult to measure.

I would draft any QB with those attributes, regardless of their completion percentage. 

Great post Matt.  Lots of great info.  I never said or believe he is among the more accurate QBs but just that he got his numbers into a more acceptable area then his other attributes you noted make him top notch.  I suspect he takes more downfield shots which generally are completed at a lower rate.

[kingm56]

Great post Matt.  Lots of great info.  I never said or believe he is among the more accurate QBs but just that he got his numbers into a more acceptable area then his other attributes you noted make him top notch.  I suspect he takes more downfield shots which generally are completed at a lower rate.

Fair point, Joe, and one I agree with.  You and I very much aligned on what the Giants should regarding the QB going forward.

[spiderblue43]

Some hating on Jameis..big deal..great value

[y_so_blu]

I am thanking the football gods for this move. Man did we dodge a bullet. Winston is a great guy and a team player who won't demand the time, money, or constant attention of Rodgers or Wilson. And ability-wise he's about on par with both of them at this point.

Now let's draft the right QB that can sit and learn from him, and maybe this franchise can finally get back on its feet.

[Jclayton92]

Do we really want our rookie Qb learning from Winston?

Schoen has made two blunders in his time with the Giants. 1) Not trading Mckinney/Barkley when he had the chance to do so. 2) Letting Tyrod walk over 2 million, he is the perfect vet, mentor, and placeholder for Dabolls offense.

[spiderblue43]

Watched Bobby's breakdown of Jameis...and he is too aggressive with his arm..no doubt..not checking down. He has big boy skills throwing..he likes dig routes over the middle..and bombs away..

He's been gotten at an incredibly cheap price and will add swag to a dead offense..pending..the draft..

[Brooklyn Dave]

Can Jamais Winston run? Can he scramble ?

[spiderblue43]

Can Jamais Winston run? Can he scramble ?

Really not that much..but has pocket off platform ability..can slide, throw on the move..but definitely more of a big boy thrower type..Duante Culpepper comes to mind in his case. He has a huge frame..big dude.

[Philosophers]

Ok we signed Winston.  We need to draft a QB.  Let's rebuild this offense now with more OL and weapons.  I want a feared WR2 with speed and size, a RB who can take to the house and 2 OL, a tackle and a guard.