Winston it is!

[MightyGiants]

New York Post's Paul Schwartz joins Dexter Henry to detail what Jameis Winston signing with the Giants means for New York's draft strategy and if Winston will compete to be the starting quarterback.

[Ed Vette]

New York Post's Paul Schwartz joins Dexter Henry to detail what Jameis Winston signing with the Giants means for New York's draft strategy and if Winston will compete to be the starting quarterback.

I agree with everything PS said except his man crush on Shedeur Sanders and discounting of Jaxson Dart.

4.7 mil guaranteed is a one year backup QB salary.

Winston can start if they need him to but he's not leading this team to a winning record.

He says they can't draft Dart at three. Ok, it's debatable. So, if Sanders is there at 3, there are options to pick Carter or Hunter. Or trade down with the Jets and pick Dart and get their second and TYs or next years third. Worst case scenario is move up from the second round for a QB.

If they really want a Franchise QB and Dart is there at three, I can't see them passing on a perfect match with Winston.

I'd still think they should sign Wilson if they want a winning record this year, but I don't care. 2025 is a transition year and a throwaway. Unless its a dumpster fire, they both get another mulligan.

[MightyGiants]

Jameis Winston is the Funniest NFL player ever, by accident 😂

[Brooklyn Dave]

Ok we signed Winston.  We need to draft a QB.  Let's rebuild this offense now with more OL and weapons.  I want a feared WR2 with speed and size, a RB who can take to the house and 2 OL, a tackle and a guard.

And where are you getting all that ? We need a DT more . Someone who can line up next to Dexter and be effective , MASON GRAHAM ? Stephon Diggs if he has recovered would be a perfect complement to Nabers

[Philosophers]

And where are you getting all that ? We need a DT more . Someone who can line up next to Dexter and be effective , MASON GRAHAM ? Stephon Diggs if he has recovered would be a perfect complement to Nabers

We struggle to score 17 points in a game.  It's way more about improving the offense.  BTW I love Graham.

Hunter at 3 for WR2, a QB in round 2, then Tate Ratledge and Ozzy Trapillo in round 3.  RJ Harvey in round 5 at RB.  You can have round 4 for DT.  Maybe Jordan Phillips from Maryland.

Option 2 is we take Graham at 3 instead of Hunter and keep my selections above but hunt for a WR around round 4 like Tai Felton from Maryland.  He's 6'1" 183 pounds, runs a 4.37 40 and plays fast and angry and runs good routes.  Reminds me of Zay Flowers.  He's thin and is not a great blocker but I think those can be improved.

[killarich]

We struggle to score 17 points in a game.  It's way more about improving the offense.  BTW I love Graham.

Hunter at 3 for WR2, a QB in round 2, then Tate Ratledge and Ozzy Trapillo in round 3.  RJ Harvey in round 5 at RB.  You can have round 4 for DT.  Maybe Jordan Phillips from Maryland.

If you get Mason Graham you can become an all around elite defense that possibly holds teams to 21 points or less in most games

Offensively we struggled due to bad qb play and injuries to the o-line

If Winston is our qb our offense will def be moving down the field .... We just have to hope we have New Orleans Winston who was pulled back a little by a good coach

If we miss out on Ward and sanders ... the smartest thing to do would be to go bAck a few spots .... (If someone wants Carter or Hunter that bad) still get Graham .... Have possibly the best front seven in the league and a solid secondary .... And maybe package the extra pick to move up and get Dart or something

Defense had two flaws last year.... Bad secondary play ... improved .... And run defense .... Graham would fix that

[Gman329]

Fully agree that we need to put someone next to Dex......but I've read that there are some red flags on Graham, with some saying his motor doesn't always run at top speed. 

[coggs]

Tbinking they want to guarantee the 1st pick next year.  Going with DeVito and Lock would have been too obvious, but this should accomplish the same goal.

[AZGiantFan]

Despite common perceptions that Josh Allen significantly "fixed" his accuracy issues, he is still among the lower-tier passers when it comes to raw completion percentage.

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I would draft any QB with those attributes, regardless of their completion percentage. 

To your first point, a 63% completion % against pro defenses is a very very substantial improvement over a 56% completion % against college defenses.  So I would say the common perception is correct.

As to the second point I quoted, if Josh Allen's completion percentage as a pro was the same as it was in college, or even went lower, as could have been expected due the huge increase in the quality of the defenses he would be facing, he would have been a complete bust despite his other sterling qualities. 

He didn't need to improve to Drew Brees level of accuracy, he had to improve to reasonable NFL levels of accuracy.  Which, what everyone except Ed, including me, was saying at the time was extremely unlikely.  And, as your post demonstrates, he did improve his accuracy to the point that his other qualities allowed him to become an excellent QB.  But if his accuracy hadn't improved to the point it did he would be no such thing.

[Ed Vette]

To your first point, a 63% completion % against pro defenses is a very very substantial improvement over a 56% completion % against college defenses.  So I would say the common perception is correct.

As to the second point I quoted, if Josh Allen's completion percentage as a pro was the same as it was in college, or even went lower, as could have been expected due the huge increase in the quality of the defenses he would be facing, he would have been a complete bust despite his other sterling qualities. 

He didn't need to improve to Drew Brees level of accuracy, he had to improve to reasonable NFL levels of accuracy.  Which, what everyone except Ed, including me, was saying at the time was extremely unlikely.  And, as your post demonstrates, he did improve his accuracy to the point that his other qualities allowed him to become an excellent QB.  But if his accuracy hadn't improved to the point it did he would be no such thing.

Throwaways and drops to the amount of attempts is something to take into consideration too. It can reflect a net completion percentage of 72%. On target throws, and Interception % is another metric. I wonder what some QBs stats would look like if they had the weapons and Offensive Lines some of these QB have. Its all relative.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/passing_advanced.htm

[Ed Vette]

Throwaways and drops to the amount of attempts is something to take into consideration too. It can reflect a net completion percentage of 72%. On target throws, and Interception % is another metric. I wonder what some QBs stats would look like if they had the weapons and Offensive Lines some of these QB have. Its all relative.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/passing_advanced.htm

I also like to compare Receiver Success % to the QB completion %. Maybe the League MVP isn't as bad as one stat makes him appear to be.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/receiving.htm

[Brooklyn Dave]

I agree with everything PS said except his man crush on Shedeur Sanders and discounting of Jaxson Dart.

4.7 mil guaranteed is a one year backup QB salary.

Winston can start if they need him to but he's not leading this team to a winning record.

He says they can't draft Dart at three. Ok, it's debatable. So, if Sanders is there at 3, there are options to pick Carter or Hunter. Or trade down with the Jets and pick Dart and get their second and TYs or next years third. Worst case scenario is move up from the second round for a QB.

If they really want a Franchise QB and Dart is there at three, I can't see them passing on a perfect match with Winston.

I'd still think they should sign Wilson if they want a winning record this year, but I don't care. 2025 is a transition year and a throwaway. Unless its a dumpster fire, they both get another mulligan.

" A Winning Record this year if they sign Wilson " That would mean the Giants would have to go 9-8. Do you honestly believe with their 2025 schedule they coukld win 6 more games with Wilson as QB ?

[Ed Vette]

" A Winning Record this year if they sign Wilson " That would mean the Giants would have to go 9-8. Do you honestly believe with their 2025 schedule they coukld win 6 more games with Wilson as QB ?

Yes.

[londonblue]

I cannot fault your optimism Ed. It certainly exceeds mine.

[Bob In PA]

Throwaways and drops to the amount of attempts is something to take into consideration too.

Ed: That aspect of Winston has always been a "mystery" to me.

When you're accurate but have "too many" INT's there seems to be only one explanation that makes sense.

You are easy for the defense to fool.  You are falling into too many traps set by crafty safeties, corners and linebackers, as well as too many disguises devised by defensive coordinators. Doesn't say much for the guy, in general, but at least he wasn't an overly expensive acquisition, and I certainly wish him well.

Bob