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Winston it is!

Started by Gmo11, March 21, 2025, 07:49:49 PM

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Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 06:20:38 AMYes.

They play Dallas , Eagles and Commanders twice. Then, Chargers, Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Chicago, New Orleans, Patriots and San francisco .

Who are the nine games they are going to win? Dallas, once, I would say Pats, Saints and maybe Broncos but all those three games are away, ( Broncos are tough at home ) Maybe San Francisco at home , maybe Minnesota at home if JJ McCarthy does not live up to his hype .

MightyGiants

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 23, 2025, 09:45:13 AMI agree with everything PS said except his man crush on Shedeur Sanders and discounting of Jaxson Dart.

4.7 mil guaranteed is a one year backup QB salary.

Winston can start if they need him to but he's not leading this team to a winning record.

He says they can't draft Dart at three. Ok, it's debatable. So, if Sanders is there at 3, there are options to pick Carter or Hunter. Or trade down with the Jets and pick Dart and get their second and TYs or next years third. Worst case scenario is move up from the second round for a QB.

If they really want a Franchise QB and Dart is there at three, I can't see them passing on a perfect match with Winston.

I'd still think they should sign Wilson if they want a winning record this year, but I don't care. 2025 is a transition year and a throwaway. Unless its a dumpster fire, they both get another mulligan.

I am not dismissing the possibility that I am wrong, but I have two issues with Wilson.  Issue one is that there are too many reports of him not being a good guy in the locker room for me to dismiss.   Secondly, Wilson isn't really tall enough.  He got by using his mobility to compensate for his lack of height.   He's reached an age where he has lost that mobility.  So you have a guy who isn't the best in the pocket, being forced to play mostly in the pocket. 

I would have to think the Steelers would have retained Wilson if he still had the abilities that would make the Giants winners if he were on their roster.
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Ed Vette

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 10:10:55 AMI am not dismissing the possibility that I am wrong, but I have two issues with Wilson.  Issue one is that there are too many reports of him not being a good guy in the locker room for me to dismiss.   Secondly, Wilson isn't really tall enough.  He got by using his mobility to compensate for his lack of height.   He's reached an age where he has lost that mobility.  So you have a guy who isn't the best in the pocket, being forced to play mostly in the pocket. 

I would have to think the Steelers would have retained Wilson if he still had the abilities that would make the Giants winners if he were on their roster.
There's nobody better out there except for Rodgers, Rich. He had more TDs and less interceptions in 11 games last year than DJ had in 16 with the Giants in 2022. His air yards and big time throws are pretty good. He will have a good Receiving Corp. If you want to ride it out with Winston, then we may have another regime change. DJ was more mobile but took a lot of sacks and for all his ground yardage, Wilson's 17 game extension would put him at 28 TDs combined. Would you rather ride into the sunset with Winston?
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MrGap92

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 11:25:20 AMThere's nobody better out there except for Rodgers, Rich. He had more TDs and less interceptions in 11 games last year than DJ had in 16 with the Giants in 2022. His air yards and big time throws are pretty good. He will have a good Receiving Corp. If you want to ride it out with Winston, then we may have another regime change. DJ was more mobile but took a lot of sacks and for all his ground yardage, Wilson's 17 game extension would put him at 28 TDs combined. Would you rather ride into the sunset with Winston?

Giants Country, lets ride?

Ed Vette

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 24, 2025, 09:14:49 AMThey play Dallas , Eagles and Commanders twice. Then, Chargers, Chiefs, Broncos, Raiders, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Chicago, New Orleans, Patriots and San francisco .

Who are the nine games they are going to win? Dallas, once, I would say Pats, Saints and maybe Broncos but all those three games are away, ( Broncos are tough at home ) Maybe San Francisco at home , maybe Minnesota at home if JJ McCarthy does not live up to his hype .
Not knowing the final rosters, I can't play that game. He has a better chance of winning 9 games than Winston. Didn't Mara mandate a winning season in order to keep this regime? I'd rather not start over, and I'm sure the fans who pay for their seats care about wins.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Ed Vette

Quote from: MrGap92 on March 24, 2025, 11:30:59 AMGiants Country, lets ride?
Winston looks good like a QB should, but he needs a filter.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MrGap92

I would not mind Russell Wilson alongside Winston, I think that is a good duo to roll with, and as I have mentioned a few times, an exceptional duo to mentor a young QB(s)

Also would be a big step up, in a scenario where an injury occurs.

Wilson was a playoff QB in 2024, did not watch his game to be honest, but the statline looks good, especially considering the opponent.

MightyGiants

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Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 11:25:20 AMThere's nobody better out there except for Rodgers, Rich. He had more TDs and less interceptions in 11 games last year than DJ had in 16 with the Giants in 2022. His air yards and big time throws are pretty good. He will have a good Receiving Corp. If you want to ride it out with Winston, then we may have another regime change. DJ was more mobile but took a lot of sacks and for all his ground yardage, Wilson's 17 game extension would put him at 28 TDs combined. Would you rather ride into the sunset with Winston?

I tend to think that Russell Wilson might get another win or two over just riding with Winston.  Considering what Wilson is asking for, I do not see the value


https://x.com/BrownsNationcom/status/1903595332425969744


EDIT TO ADD:  I would think the Giants might get more bang for their buck by signing Brandon Scherff or Jedrick Wills Jr. than signing Wilson
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Ed Vette

Quote from: MrGap92 on March 24, 2025, 11:36:47 AMI would not mind Russell Wilson alongside Winston, I think that is a good duo to roll with, and as I have mentioned a few times, an exceptional duo to mentor a young QB(s)

Also would be a big step up, in a scenario where an injury occurs.

Wilson was a playoff QB in 2024, did not watch his game to be honest, but the statline looks good, especially considering the opponent.
270 yards, 2 TDs, no INTs and 69% Completion % against the Ravens. I'd rather have Wilson/Winston than Winston/Tommy or Lock/Tommy.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Ed Vette

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 24, 2025, 11:39:08 AMI tend to think that Russell Wilson might get another win or two over just riding with Winston.  Considering what Wilson is asking for, I do not see the value


https://x.com/BrownsNationcom/status/1903595332425969744


EDIT TO ADD:  I would think the Giants might get more bang for their buck by signing Brandon Scherff or Jedrick Wills Jr. than signing Wilson
Schoen may agree with you. We shall see.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MrGap92

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 24, 2025, 11:49:00 AM270 yards, 2 TDs, no INTs and 69% Completion % against the Ravens. I'd rather have Wilson/Winston than Winston/Tommy or Lock/Tommy.

I have to agree

Winston blows all our backup QBs attempts out of the water. Tommy, Lock, Tyrod, all of them.

MightyGiants

Pete make a couple of good points about neither Payton or the Browns re-signing Winston


https://x.com/gmfb/status/1904163631530701126
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Ed Vette

"They feel Jameis Winston will be better in the room than Russell Wilson would have been, and better in the locker room," Schwartz said. "Russell Wilson is kind of a to-himself kind of guy -- popular guy and a good guy -- but Jameis Winston has that effervescent personality."

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2025/03/24/new-york-giants-prefer-jameis-winston-locker-room-presence-over-russell-wilson/82633530007/#
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MightyGiants

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DaveBrown74

Quote from: coggs on March 23, 2025, 12:33:41 PMTbinking they want to guarantee the 1st pick next year.  Going with DeVito and Lock would have been too obvious, but this should accomplish the same goal.

Why would they make significant upgrades on D in free agency if that were the goal?