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Winston it is!

Started by Gmo11, March 21, 2025, 07:49:49 PM

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Jersey Heel

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:35:14 PMEither way they lose. This way they spend 8 million more. I still don't think they ride with Winston.
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. We should not have cut Jones? We'd be paying him his full salary to ride the bench. Yeah, there's dead money involved now, but the alternative was insanity.

H-Town G-Fan

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:35:14 PMEither way they lose. This way they spend 8 million more. I still don't think they ride with Winston.

By cutting him they saved his non-guaranteed salary. That was far more than $4MM per year.

T200

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 21, 2025, 09:11:04 PMJones is the same QB as Winston. 13 TDs and 12 ints. Let's see what the next move is.
Just looking at the numbers, yeah their individual production is the same.

But you know very well you gotta look past the numbers. Moving the ball downfield, getting first downs and moving the chains keeps the defense off the field and fresh. The offense will be more dynamic with a guy who isn't gun shy, knows how to lead his receivers, and is comfortable running the offense.

Jones may do well in Indy. He hit his ceiling here. If Winston stays healthy, I think he'll have better numbers than 2022 Jones.
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EDjohnst1981

So basically, the Giants have allocated 22mil for QBs so far - 4mil for Winston, 18mil dead cap for Jones not to play for them.

I don't see them spending big bucks on another vet, it makes no sense.

Nabers wanted a "leader" in the next QB when he spoke to Florio a few weeks ago, is Winston that? Seemingly his former teammates are generous with their praise for him. But being popular doesn't make you a good leader.

spiderblue43

I guarantee tonight guys are on the roster so excited...they know how good a guy he he is..and talented

EDjohnst1981

Quote from: T200 on March 21, 2025, 09:46:14 PMJust looking at the numbers, yeah their individual production is the same.

But you know very well you gotta look past the numbers. Moving the ball downfield, getting first downs and moving the chains keeps the defense off the field and fresh. The offense will be more dynamic with a guy who isn't gun shy, knows how to lead his receivers, and is comfortable running the offense.

Jones may do well in Indy. He hit his ceiling here. If Winston stays healthy, I think he'll have better numbers than 2022 Jones.

I think that's an easy bet to take.

He had 2,100 yards, 13 TDs with 12 ints in 7 games. That's pacing 300 yards a game - plus the receivers are better here.

spiderblue43

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on March 21, 2025, 09:48:29 PMSo basically, the Giants have allocated 22mil for QBs so far - 4mil for Winston, 18mil dead cap for Jones not to play for them.

I don't see them spending big bucks on another vet, it makes no sense.

Nabers wanted a "leader" in the next QB when he spoke to Florio a few weeks ago, is Winston that? Seemingly his former teammates are generous with their praise for him. But being popular doesn't make you a good leader.


Yeah..so what? What's your point..do nothing? I'm happy with this..maybe I'm totally misguided..inept..but welcome Jameis

spiderblue43

And they didn't spend big bucks..did the right thing. Sign jameis

Ed Vette

Quote from: T200 on March 21, 2025, 09:46:14 PMJust looking at the numbers, yeah their individual production is the same.

But you know very well you gotta look past the numbers. Moving the ball downfield, getting first downs and moving the chains keeps the defense off the field and fresh. The offense will be more dynamic with a guy who isn't gun shy, knows how to lead his receivers, and is comfortable running the offense.

Jones may do well in Indy. He hit his ceiling here. If Winston stays healthy, I think he'll have better numbers than 2022 Jones.
I know I'm being unfair here. He's a likable guy and he has a live arm. I'm not as sure as you guys are that he can perform better than six QBs have in this Offense with that Oline. Earlier in his career he was somewhat mobile. Not anymore. I thought that Wilson at least had the ability to extend plays.
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~ Coach Tom Coughlin

EDjohnst1981

Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 21, 2025, 09:55:10 PMYeah..so what? What's your point..do nothing? I'm happy with this..maybe I'm totally misguided..inept..but welcome Jameis

I didn't say do nothing? Feel free to point out where I did. What I was saying is that I don't think they'll sign another vet. Considering there's lots of talk out there that they are still in on Rodgers/Wilson, it's a relevant point.

I would be happy with any of the vets signing. I think the starting QB next season will be better than last season if they signed Rodgers/Wilson and to a lesser extent Winston.

I wasn't keen on Flacco and Rodgers would have been my preference but Winston at 8mil for two years- they should roll with him, if they don't draft one this year, they can look next year.


spiderblue43

Jameis...we want touchdowns came us..with you . welcome

Philosophers

He threw 8 INTs in his last 3 games.  He'll get yards and some points and throw a lot of INTs.  Less checkdowns

spiderblue43

Great thing about Winston..he wanta New York. ..he is ready.to help this sad franchise wake up..plus spinning 60 hard bombs to nabors..he wants the spotlight..he does..and has tremendous talent still..that's an Daboll now.to save his job

spiderblue43

Quote from: Philosophers on March 21, 2025, 10:19:16 PMHe threw 8 INTs in his last 3 games.  He'll get yards and some points and throw a lot of INTs.  Less checkdowns


Yes philosopher..throw it .. challenge the defense..yes he may fail..but let's try to win..

Ed Vette

Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 21, 2025, 10:20:31 PMGreat thing about Winston..he wanta New York. ..he is ready.to help this sad franchise wake up..plus spinning 60 hard bombs to nabors..he wants the spotlight..he does..and has tremendous talent still..that's an Daboll now.to save his job
He was 2-5 as a starter last season. There were four games where they scored less than 15 points. When he was on he threw for a lot of yards in a few games, but he took a lot of sacks. Six against the Chargers and five against KC.

Lets hope for the best.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin