My worry with Carter being BPA at 3...

[UKGiantsFan]

isn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.

Last year,  Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.

The more I think about it,  the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him

[Bob In PA]

isn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.

Last year,  Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.

The more I think about it,  the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him

Ceri: Sometimes a team has so much talent. even a bad coach can't lose. Eagles' head coach, for one. Bob

[MightyGiants]

isn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.

Last year,  Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.

The more I think about it,  the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him

Ceri,

If the Giants draft Carter, there will be challenges in terms of using all three starting caliber edge rushers.  Obviously, they could just rotate the three and keep coming at opposing offenses in waves of top-end edge rushers (which will be a killer challenge for opposing OTs).  It's also possible to put one of them inside on rushing downs (Burns?).   Finally you could put Carter in ILB to really mess up opposing offenses.

As for Burns, he wasn't terrible until he started losing his top players like Dex and Bobby O.

[Bob In PA]

Ceri,

If the Giants draft Carter, there will be challenges in terms of using all three starting caliber edge rushers.  Obviously, they could just rotate the three and keep coming at opposing offenses in waves of top-end edge rushers (which will be a killer challenge for opposing OTs).  It's also possible to put one of them inside on rushing downs (Burns?).   Finally you could put Carter in ILB to really mess up opposing offenses.

As for Burns, he wasn't terrible until he started losing his top players like Dex and Bobby O.

Rich: This is precisely what I suggested two days ago. I was uncertain who would be the 'odd man out' at that time (Okereke or McFadden) but the cost factor comes into play and I think it would be Okereke. Bob

[MightyGiants]

Rich: This is precisely what I suggested two days ago. I was uncertain who would be the 'odd man out' at that time (Okereke or McFadden) but the cost factor comes into play and I think it would be Okereke. Bob

If the Giants draft Carter, I could see Okereke potentially being traded during the draft.

[Philosophers]

If Carter is what many think he is, how hard is it to put him in a position to succeed as you should just be able to line him up on one side and send him?  He's a speed guy, not a speed to power guy (at least not yet) so line him up where he relies on his speed more than power.  Maybe that is as an ILB where he can selectively blitz or at a certain numerical technique that uses more speed (7 tech?).

[LennG]

Not to hijack this, but is Simmons still a Giant?

[Rosehill Jimmy]

Not to hijack this, but is Simmons still a Giant?

Believe his one year deal expired and he became a FA this month

[files58]

If we draft Carter at #3 then somewhere within the first four rounds they should draft another LB that hits like a Tiger tank going through a wood frame house. I want not just a good defense, but a destructive one. A defense that teams fear playing because they know they will get beat up, and badly. Put it this way I'd give up 7 points to see Hurts, Dak lying on the ground counting the crowd. I didn't include Daniels because he'd probably get away. The next tush push Hurts comes out of the pile with a busted nose streaming blood. A DL's large finger can do a nasty on a nostril. Carl Banks has said many times there are nasty things happening in a pile. The Giants need attitude.

[UKGiantsFan]

If the Giants draft Carter, I could see Okereke potentially being traded during the draft.

I think his dead cap would prevent that. But yes, no smoke without fire re: Okereke not being a Bowen guy

[MrGap92]

Why/how would an EDGE make a quality ILB expendable?

[Jolly Blue Giant]

I think adding a premier edge rusher is not nearly as important as a pass rushing DE in the mold of Leonard Williams. Carter is a 6-3, 250lb ER/LB. We have bookend ERs that are more than adequate as long as there's pressure coming from elsewhere other than our two ERs who have become the focus of stopping. Throw in a big boy pass rushing DE next to Dex and all hell breaks loose for an offensive line trying to hold back the water after the dam breaks

Jarod Ivey, Jordan Burch, and JJ Pegues come to mind...and they can be had in the 3rd or later rounds...maybe 

[madbadger]

isn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.

Last year,  Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.

The more I think about it,  the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him

There's a really good chance Daboll is unemployed at seasons end. If that happens your next coordinator has a Parsonsesqe weapon to use. I'd could see taking him if someone who needs an edge is willing to trade a good defensive tackle for Thibs.

[MightyGiants]

Why/how would an EDGE make a quality ILB expendable?

He can also play ILB

[killarich]

isn't Carter's talent as to me he is the best prospect in the draft, regardless of position. It's that our DC Bowen isn't creative enough to maximise his use and that of Burns and Thibodeaux at the same time.

Last year,  Bowen failed to adjust his system to fit the personnel we had and I thought he should have been fired because of it. If he can't do that this year he's going to waste the talent we've put together in the secondary, let alone the abilities of those up front.

The more I think about it,  the more I like the fact we brought Manuel Marquand in as Secondary Coach because with his success as a DC earlier in his career, he's a hedge on firing Bowen mid-season if there isn't a huge improvement from him

I was critical and still very weary of Bowen

But weren't  the Giants leading the league in sacks for a decent portion of the season ?

Even with that I think he needs to be a little more aggressive with the pass rush and utilize blitzes a tad bit more

The defenses weakness last season was the secondary and major lack of turnovers .... We seem to have upgraded the secondary pretty well

Those additions + the possibility of drafting someone like Graham or Carter should only make Bowens defense a lot better and his life easier

But we shall see