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Dexter is Jones best friend 

Unless i missed something the references have been about Dex's comments and when the references imply a plural they still support it with Dexs comments .


At the end of the Dex said jones is the best of the three and jones was class act .

I do not think anyone including Daboll would argue that .

Quote from: katkavage on November 20, 2024, 05:42:19 PMYou guys are missing the point. You are not incorrect in saying the Giants should not reach for a QB and kick the can down the road. The problem is, the road ends for both Schoen and Daboll if they do that. They have one year to either turn it around totally or show that with a young promising QB they have hope for the future. As much as we like Nabors, they blew it by not picking McCarthy, Penix or Nix. All might be better than what's out there in 2025.

I want to jump on your bandwagon, kat, I really do. I also get what a QB vs. other position for pick #1 does for Daboll and possibly/likely Schoen. Both are going to have to carefully evaluate the risk vs. opportunity at where they will pick as well as whom they will pick. I also agree it is way too early to assess that risk right now.

But I want to throw caution to the wind and make sure our "informed" board of Giants' fans here understand that a Lisfranc injury on an often-injured Left Tackle, despite what articles were written about Thomas' injury, IN GENERAL, which claimed he should have no problem resuming his career and, oh, by the way, his arthritic condition is "gonna suck" when he gets to our age so "don't worry about it." I have a first-hand, up-close and personal experience with someone who recently had a broken tibia & fibula PLUS a Lisfranc fracture AND came out of it running better now than ever before. I'm talking about my wife, who turned 55 last month, and had plates and screws put in for the Lisfranc, base of the tibia and fibula which, initially, did NOT heal properly. They had to refracture the Lisfranc and repair it again. Her four to six month recovery turned into nearly a whole year. She made it work by losing weight, hitting the gym hard to build strength around her injury and slowly took up running again. She has her days where it hurts but, by and large, she feels wonderful and she doesn't look a day over 30 right now (lucky me!).

But that's the story of a petite woman when we're talking about a 340+ pound Left Tackle with a history of lower leg injuries and this being perhaps the most devastating of all. I have little doubt he is going to give his all to come back and be ready for opening day 2025. But we have to see it as it is in terms of the cumulative effect of these injuries slowly, but surely, impacting his overall performance and durability.

I would be willing to back off his replacement if you can convince me the Giants draft or sign a projected starting tackle who is versatile at either tackle position or, along the line of what you are thinking, a Left Tackle/Guard who could jump into either position and contribute immediately.

In the end, it logically obvious the QB is the most pressing need right now. But it is also obvious that the Giants need to help out Andrew Thomas with a suitable yet capable backup who can either hold the fort down in his absence or, worst case scenario, be his eventual replacement if he can't go all 17 games. The best predictor of future history is looking at recent past which is a lot of missed games due to injury. The bottom line is the Giants' overall performance on offense tanked the moment Thomas left the field after he fractured his Lisfranc and they haven't been the same since. That simply cannot happen and exposing a rookie to NFL defenses without a suitable Left Tackle should also be punishable by losing your job,, in my humble opinion.

Peace!

I like the idea of having a HOF but I agree it has become a bit too inclusive.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 20, 2024, 04:26:07 PMI mean the cowboys are considering Deion or Belichick, is that really better than what we have currently?

I believe BB has the ability to fix the broken Giants organization.

Quote from: LennG on November 20, 2024, 05:38:49 PMI may be wrong, but I would still take BB in a heartbeat. Give him a decent enough QB and he can still be a hell of a coach, at least IMVHO. If I had to choose between Daboll and BB, you know where I lean. Daboll might be OK and he may prove to be a better than he has shown coach, but BB is the GOAT.

Lenn,

I am with you that Belichick can still be a good if not great coach. That part doesn't particularly concern me. My concern with him is on the roster building side. He really did a horrible job there in his later years in NE and left that roster in absolute shambles. Many of his draft picks were shocking. That was 100% on him because he was singularly in charge. I cannot see any way Belichick would agree to come to the Giants and just be the coach and not insist on having a major say in the roster, if not the final say. Based on the results in NE once he lost Brady, I'm not sure I want that being brought to the Giants, even with him being a great coach.

Quote from: LennG on November 20, 2024, 05:32:39 PMThe problem with some of this reasoning is that we don't want to stretch for a QB who may, or may not, be 'the guy'. We could end up with another Daniel Jones type and we'd be screwed for another 5 years. If we pass on a QB and opt for BPA, say a CB, and we go with a journeyman as a bridge, who says we come anywhere near being able to draft a top guy come 2026? People say go after Darnold, well Darnold might win 8-10 games here and where would that put us for looking ahead?

And, we had absolutely no chance at the top 3 guys the past year. None of the top 3 teams that drafted QBs were going to opt out and bypass their chance at the franchise guy. Just because we wanted in, doesn't mean we were able to. Personally, when I knew those top 3 would be gone, I really wanted Nix. They said he was pro-ready and he could have waited until Jones screwed up and then it would have been his team.

We, as fans, wish for a lot of things, but, in reality, we probably won't have a shot at them.

I guess after 20 years, it was bound to happen.   I completely agree with you, Len. 

It's very difficult to find a very good or great QB in the draft.

What's much less difficult is avoiding ever handing a so-so or totally unproven QB a huge contract beyond his rookie deal.

You guys are missing the point. You are not incorrect in saying the Giants should not reach for a QB and kick the can down the road. The problem is, the road ends for both Schoen and Daboll if they do that. They have one year to either turn it around totally or show that with a young promising QB they have hope for the future. As much as we like Nabors, they blew it by not picking McCarthy, Penix or Nix. All might be better than what's out there in 2025.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 05:30:06 PMhttps://x.com/schultz_report/status/1859074098585886797?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Sources: There is "disappointment" among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: "He's the QB1. To me, he's the best quarterback on the team."

One offensive player told me over the phone: "We're not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**."

The sense I've gotten from multiple sources — players, coaches, and executives — is that the issues within the organization go far beyond just one person.

Well duh.

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