Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on February 17, 2024, 06:21:14 PMThis quite laughable. Thread reaks of desperation to be correct - 18 pages for a draft project that might not even land on the Giants.

I guess those accusing others of hating on Jones for the last 11 months are getting out in front of the next bus really early. Good for them.

Although the same posters were telling us the future was sorted, and doing cartwheels, fewer than 12 months ago.

Still it's better to be first, than correct (apparently).

😂 it's what we do, and the beat goes on...

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 17, 2024, 07:05:33 PM😂 it's what we do, and the beat goes on...

That it does.

Now why is there 19 pages about this guy and I see no threads on the main page about Daniels or drake??

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 01:33:08 AMNow why is there 19 pages about this guy and I see no threads on the main page about Daniels or drake??

Because we have next to no shot of getting either of those two.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 01:33:08 AMNow why is there 19 pages about this guy and I see no threads on the main page about Daniels or drake??

Currently, McDaniels is a QB the Giants could draft.   Neither Maye or Daniels seem likely to be there to draft at 6 and trading up is an ill-advised longshot

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 01:33:08 AMNow why is there 19 pages about this guy and I see no threads on the main page about Daniels or drake??

Start one.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2024, 07:31:21 AMCurrently, McDaniels is a QB the Giants could draft.   Neither Maye or Daniels seem likely to be there to draft at 6 and trading up is an ill-advised longshot

not sure how trading up for either is ill advised?

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 03:37:24 PMnot sure how trading up for either is ill advised?

The longshot part is that the teams drafting ahead of the Giants need quarterbacks.  So it's unlikely they pass on an elite prospect themselves.

The Giants are near the bottom of the league in talent.  One thing we have witnessed over and over again is teams lacking talent drafting a QB and the QB failing to develop (sort of hard to learn to play in the NFL, running for your life).   The draft capital that it would take to move up in the draft would mean the worst line in the league will pretty much stay one of the worst.  The receiver corp will not be upgraded; the RB room will decline with the departure of Barkley, and the DBs will diminish with the loss of McKinney and Jackson.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2024, 03:43:13 PMThe longshot part is that the teams drafting ahead of the Giants need quarterbacks.  So it's unlikely they pass on an elite prospect themselves.

The Giants are near the bottom of the league in talent.  One thing we have witnessed over and over again is teams lacking talent drafting a QB and the QB failing to develop (sort of hard to learn to play in the NFL, running for your life).   The draft capital that it would take to move up in the draft would mean the worst line in the league will pretty much stay one of the worst.  The receiver corp will not be upgraded; the RB room will decline with the departure of Barkley, and the DBs will diminish with the loss of McKinney and Jackson.

Our only shot is Pats taking Marvin but I agree

We saw Tyrod basically look average with the same line as Tommy and DJ... I have faith in Daboll to develop a QB and if we have Saquon that can help the rookie. I truly think some fans are underestimating just how awful DJ was and how much Daboll had to scheme around him in order for things to work 2 years ago.

If we have the opportunity to take a franchise QB, you do it. Bottom line. Just because ewe may have a higher pick next year doesn't mean the QB class will be as strong as this one. If let's say Maye is somehow still there at #4, we must go for him.

I also do not think JJ is even in the same stratosphere as the other 3 so taking him in the 6-12 range and then ONCE AGAIN being forced to "Wait on him" for 4 year is the biggest disaster imo.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2024, 03:43:13 PMThe longshot part is that the teams drafting ahead of the Giants need quarterbacks.  So it's unlikely they pass on an elite prospect themselves.

The Giants are near the bottom of the league in talent.  One thing we have witnessed over and over again is teams lacking talent drafting a QB and the QB failing to develop (sort of hard to learn to play in the NFL, running for your life).   The draft capital that it would take to move up in the draft would mean the worst line in the league will pretty much stay one of the worst.  The receiver corp will not be upgraded; the RB room will decline with the departure of Barkley, and the DBs will diminish with the loss of McKinney and Jackson.

Are we truly devoid of talent or is the bigger problem developing and coaching what we have?

Every year players are drafted but aren't sufficiently developed and thus not re-signed. I don't understand how these players are talented enough to get drafted but then they become bums once they put on an NFL uniform?

The Giants have been abysmal when it comes to developing draft picks and I have a hard time not believing that it cuts their careers short.

The coaching has to be better for these players to show what they can do.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 04:24:22 PMOur only shot is Pats taking Marvin but I agree

We saw Tyrod basically look average with the same line as Tommy and DJ... I have faith in Daboll to develop a QB and if we have Saquon that can help the rookie. I truly think some fans are underestimating just how awful DJ was and how much Daboll had to scheme around him in order for things to work 2 years ago.

If we have the opportunity to take a franchise QB, you do it. Bottom line. Just because ewe may have a higher pick next year doesn't mean the QB class will be as strong as this one. If let's say Maye is somehow still there at #4, we must go for him.

I also do not think JJ is even in the same stratosphere as the other 3 so taking him in the 6-12 range and then ONCE AGAIN being forced to "Wait on him" for 4 year is the biggest disaster imo.

You wouldn't have to wait as JJ is head shoulders above the rest in terms of plug n play while Maye, Daniels, and Williams will all likely need time to adjust and grow.

Does Mccarthy need reps, and time to grow, absolutely, but he's easily the most pro ready coming out of a pro style offense in college playing some of the best defenses in the country.

We wouldn't be waiting on Mccarthy, the kid has won at every level. The team would grow with him not be waiting on him as heads so far above the rest currently from a mental grasp of the game.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on February 18, 2024, 06:32:37 PMYou wouldn't have to wait as JJ is head shoulders above the rest in terms of plug n play while Maye, Daniels, and Williams will all likely need time to adjust and grow.

Does Mccarthy need reps, and time to grow, absolutely, but he's easily the most pro ready coming out of a pro style offense in college playing some of the best defenses in the country.

We wouldn't be waiting on Mccarthy, the kid has won at every level. The team would grow with him not be waiting on him as heads so far above the rest currently from a mental grasp of the game.

you REALLY just said JJ is head and shoulders above Caleb Williams?!

JJ has been handled his entire college career with baby gloves, just like Daniel Jones.

Now he is going to the NFL where he a below average athlete (worse than Jones in that regard), with a very very mediocre arm. He did play against tough competition, but he also had the best college football coach in the nation designing a system to limit his faults and mistakes.

We also don't need someone who is "most ready" to win now, we need the QB with the highest ceiling who can be a franchise QB for 10+ years.. does this team look ready to contend? lol

We do not need another guy who struggles with processing and can throw off his first read but not much else.


The point of a Brian Daboll is to get a guy with MASSIVE potential he can develop into a stud like Josh Allen, not a Jones/MCcarthy type where Daboll has to scheme and limit his genius to fit a player with limitations.

And just like Jones, this is a guy projected to be a late 1st-2nd round pick all of a sudden getting whispers he might sneak into the early first. NO thank you. I'd rather draft an Oline than get stuck with this guy for 4 years


I would 1000% prefer a guy like Caleb or Drake who's "weakness" is trying to keep plays going too long and make some miraculous throw, because you can develop around it.

Quote from: T200 on February 18, 2024, 05:59:25 PMAre we truly devoid of talent or is the bigger problem developing and coaching what we have?

Every year players are drafted but aren't sufficiently developed and thus not re-signed. I don't understand how these players are talented enough to get drafted but then they become bums once they put on an NFL uniform?

The Giants have been abysmal when it comes to developing draft picks and I have a hard time not believing that it cuts their careers short.

The coaching has to be better for these players to show what they can do.

I can't rule out this possibility

Jj McCarthy and Daniel Jones have absolutely nothing in common. Whatsoever.

Such a poor comparison.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 07:01:08 PMyou REALLY just said JJ is head and shoulders above Caleb Williams?!

JJ has been handled his entire college career with baby gloves, just like Daniel Jones.

Now he is going to the NFL where he a below average athlete (worse than Jones in that regard), with a very very mediocre arm. He did play against tough competition, but he also had the best college football coach in the nation designing a system to limit his faults and mistakes.

We also don't need someone who is "most ready" to win now, we need the QB with the highest ceiling who can be a franchise QB for 10+ years.. does this team look ready to contend? lol

We do not need another guy who struggles with processing and can throw off his first read but not much else.


The point of a Brian Daboll is to get a guy with MASSIVE potential he can develop into a stud like Josh Allen, not a Jones/MCcarthy type where Daboll has to scheme and limit his genius to fit a player with limitations.

And just like Jones, this is a guy projected to be a late 1st-2nd round pick all of a sudden getting whispers he might sneak into the early first. NO thank you. I'd rather draft an Oline than get stuck with this guy for 4 years


I would 1000% prefer a guy like Caleb or Drake who's "weakness" is trying to keep plays going too long and make some miraculous throw, because you can develop around it.

Who exactly are you to. One on this board

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on February 18, 2024, 07:01:08 PMyou REALLY just said JJ is head and shoulders above Caleb Williams?!

JJ has been handled his entire college career with baby gloves, just like Daniel Jones.

Now he is going to the NFL where he a below average athlete (worse than Jones in that regard), with a very very mediocre arm. He did play against tough competition, but he also had the best college football coach in the nation designing a system to limit his faults and mistakes.

We also don't need someone who is "most ready" to win now, we need the QB with the highest ceiling who can be a franchise QB for 10+ years.. does this team look ready to contend? lol

We do not need another guy who struggles with processing and can throw off his first read but not much else.


The point of a Brian Daboll is to get a guy with MASSIVE potential he can develop into a stud like Josh Allen, not a Jones/MCcarthy type where Daboll has to scheme and limit his genius to fit a player with limitations.

And just like Jones, this is a guy projected to be a late 1st-2nd round pick all of a sudden getting whispers he might sneak into the early first. NO thank you. I'd rather draft an Oline than get stuck with this guy for 4 years


I would 1000% prefer a guy like Caleb or Drake who's "weakness" is trying to keep plays going too long and make some miraculous throw, because you can develop around it.

You have the audacity to challenge an esteemed member of this board who also happens to be a knowledgeable college football fanatic and someone who writes thoughtful posts here?

You registered on this board yesterday and posted what 16 times?  You offer nothing except what the pundits say which is nothing but lazy follow the herd mentality.  As they say in a surf lineup.  Work your way in rather than try to take the first wave.