Big Blue Huddle

I can't imagine any HC wanting to lose games.  I get the logic but coaches have to face 53 guys risking their physical health with the expectation that they will give their all. 

Quote from: T200 on November 07, 2024, 10:40:10 AMHe's in a Catch-22 situation.

Does he *really* try to win games at the risk of lowering his draft position, and subsequently, lower his chances of getting a good replacement for Jones?

Or does he plan to play well and hope for a loss and risk losing the locker room because of the mountain of losses piling up?

As you and I have discussed and agreed before, players don't care about a high draft pick slot, essentially bringing in players to potentially replace them.

Glad I can sit behind my keyboard and second-guess their moves than to actually be responsible for them.   

As much as I like the strategy element of football, I am constantly reminded it is more poker (with a huge element of luck) than it is chess (pure strategy).

Consider a couple of seasons ago, the interim HC of the Texans won the last game of the season, which upset fans and was considered by some to be an FU to the Texans owner.  That victory pushed the Texans to number 2 in the draft order, the Bears (who traded the pick to the Panthers for quite the bounty).

That forced the Texans to "settle" for CJ Stroud after the Panthers drafted Bryce Young.   While most draftniks are grateful for people's short memories, I remember most were high on Young and meh on CJ Stroud.  History shows the Texans were fortunate for the victory.

On the other side of the argument, one can point to the meaningless victories by the Giants that pushed them out of a position to draft a franchise QB.


Then, as you said, too many losses, and the team is in a position to potentially draft a QB, but you are no longer in the position of HC.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 07, 2024, 11:44:15 AMAs much as I like the strategy element of football, I am constantly reminded it is more poker (with a huge element of luck) than it is chess (pure strategy).

Consider a couple of seasons ago, the interim HC of the Texans won the last game of the season, which upset fans and was considered by some to be an FU to the Texans owner.  That victory pushed the Texans to number 2 in the draft order, the Bears (who traded the pick to the Panthers for quite the bounty).

That forced the Texans to "settle" for CJ Stroud after the Panthers drafted Bryce Young.   While most draftniks are grateful for people's short memories, I remember most were high on Young and meh on CJ Stroud.  History shows the Texans were fortunate for the victory.

On the other side of the argument, one can point to the meaningless victories by the Giants that pushed them out of a position to draft a franchise QB.


Then, as you said, too many losses, and the team is in a position to potentially draft a QB, but you are no longer in the position of HC.

I'm sold on the poker vs chess analogy. 

Doesn't matter where they draft they will pick a QB, most likely in the first round. It might be a reach. If it is and the guy is an obvious bust and the team is bad again, they will go the Arizona way and pick another QB the following draft. This is all because they whiffed this past draft. Daboll will be given one last chance with a new QB. It's his only chance for his survival.

Quote from: 4 Aces on November 06, 2024, 09:53:10 AMAnd as usual, the year they are looking for a QB, there won't be a Superstar type in the draft.

Happened the year they took DJ, too. They wanted Herbert but he went back to school. Probably to avoid playing here.

And??? Take a QB in the 2nd round, anything is better than Jones at this point.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 07, 2024, 11:44:15 AMAs much as I like the strategy element of football, I am constantly reminded it is more poker (with a huge element of luck) than it is chess (pure strategy).

Consider a couple of seasons ago, the interim HC of the Texans won the last game of the season, which upset fans and was considered by some to be an FU to the Texans owner.  That victory pushed the Texans to number 2 in the draft order, the Bears (who traded the pick to the Panthers for quite the bounty).

That forced the Texans to "settle" for CJ Stroud after the Panthers drafted Bryce Young.   While most draftniks are grateful for people's short memories, I remember most were high on Young and meh on CJ Stroud. History shows the Texans were fortunate for the victory.

On the other side of the argument, one can point to the meaningless victories by the Giants that pushed them out of a position to draft a franchise QB.


Then, as you said, too many losses, and the team is in a position to potentially draft a QB, but you are no longer in the position of HC.

This is why I disagree when people say this draft class is weak.

But anyway, great analogy. 

It doesn't matter if the draft class is weak at QB compared to last year's. They had an opportunity to take McCarthy. They took a receiver instead and still need the most important position on team filled for any hope forward. So they will take someone, weak or not. That's the predicament they are in and there is no other choice unless they shell out big bucks for Darnold. They won't.

Quote from: katkavage on November 07, 2024, 01:23:39 PMIt doesn't matter if the draft class is weak at QB compared to last year's. They had an opportunity to take McCarthy. They took a receiver instead and still need the most important position on team filled for any hope forward. So they will take someone, weak or not. That's the predicament they are in and there is no other choice unless they shell out big bucks for Darnold. They won't.

Darnold is putting up middle tier results despite having top tier support     

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 07, 2024, 01:26:46 PMDarnold is putting up middle tier results despite having top tier support     

They're 6-2 and he's not keeping them from winning or causing them to lose.

They lost to the NFC's best team and division rival, Lions. They also lost to the Rams but that was more on the defense than because of Darnold.

Quote from: T200 on November 07, 2024, 02:13:50 PMThey're 6-2 and he's not keeping them from winning or causing them to lose.

They lost to the NFC's best team and division rival, Lions. They also lost to the Rams but that was more on the defense than because of Darnold.

The Giants will draft a QB in the draft. First round probably. Darnold won't really be an option.

Quote from: katkavage on November 07, 2024, 03:38:34 PMThe Giants will draft a QB in the draft. First round probably. Darnold won't really be an option.

Do they bring in a vet to let the rook sit for a year or do they throw him to the wolves?

Quote from: T200 on November 07, 2024, 04:06:57 PMDo they bring in a vet to let the rook sit for a year or do they throw him to the wolves?

They need a cheap vet.

Carolina vs Giants is HUGE for both teams. Draft position wise

Quote from: katkavage on November 07, 2024, 04:21:37 PMThey need a cheap vet.

The sound of that makes me really look forward to next year. 

Quote from: katkavage on November 07, 2024, 03:38:34 PMThe Giants will draft a QB in the draft. First round probably. Darnold won't really be an option.

The worst time to draft a QB is when you feel like you have to draft a QB.