Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2024, 02:37:26 PMTo me, the approach to the QB situation for next year is (or should be) pretty straightforward:

If they are in a position to draft a first round QB that they are high on, they should absolutely do it.

They SHOULD NOT draft a first round QB they are only lukewarm on, simply because of need.

In the event that they do not draft a QB, they should sign a veteran free agent for what will clearly be much less money than they're paying Jones (and likely better performance than what he delivered in 2023 and 2024).

If they end up with a veteran, they can then reassess their situation at the end of the 2025 season.

As an aside, if they do not draft a QB in this upcoming offseason, I would like to see them try to shift draft capital from 2025 to 2026, so as to augment their ability to trade up in 2026 should they want to.

Not a bad plan.  The only issue is free agency comes before the draft.  What does the team do in free agency without knowing what QBs they could get in the draft?

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 15, 2024, 02:42:45 PMNot a bad plan.  The only issue is free agency comes before the draft.  What does the team do in free agency without knowing what QBs they could get in the draft?

Good and important point Rich. I should have addressed this in my post.

I think you have to make a judgment call. By the time free agency rolls around, you of course know where you're drafting and have done at least some comprehensive work on QBs. By then, you should have at least a decent idea of what you're going to be looking/hoping to do in the draft, and you can behave accordingly in free agency.

I would add that, while you're absolutely correct that free agency takes place before the draft, each year there are still reasonably competent QBs available after the draft. Considering that this free agent is going to be most likely thought of as a placeholder, it's not like they need to be going after the most expensive, most prized free agent. The only reason I could see them doing that would be if they really liked a free agent (say Darnold) and knew they didn't like any QBs or couldn't get the one(s) they liked in the draft.

What they need is not what we think they need but a Quarterback capable of leading a winning football team, right now, or in the very near future, for whom the odds of that happening are not a whole lot better than 50/50 whether a veteran or a rookie.

That, like it or not, is the objective of matter whatever names you may have on your candidate's lists which speaks to little more than to ignorance, indecision or both. And guess what? That's actually the one thing we all know and can agree on.

Cheers!

They will draft a QB high whether they are sold on him or not. But they will tell us they are. Be prepared for that. It's the only chance both have to survive. And they will also sign a vet.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2024, 02:37:26 PMTo me, the approach to the QB situation for next year is (or should be) pretty straightforward:

If they are in a position to draft a first round QB that they are high on, they should absolutely do it.

They SHOULD NOT draft a first round QB they are only lukewarm on, simply because of need.

In the event that they do not draft a QB, they should sign a veteran free agent for what will clearly be much less money than they're paying Jones (and likely better performance than what he delivered in 2023 and 2024).

If they end up with a veteran, they can then reassess their situation at the end of the 2025 season.

As an aside, if they do not draft a QB in this upcoming offseason, I would like to see them try to shift draft capital from 2025 to 2026, so as to augment their ability to trade up in 2026 should they want to.

I dont want to reach in round 1, but I would love to see a QB drafted in round 2, someone that can sit for a full season and learn behind a vet, someone like Garrett Nussmeier , Drew Allar or Jaxson Dart

Quote from: brownelvis54 on November 15, 2024, 05:09:18 PMI dont want to reach in round 1, but I would love to see a QB drafted in round 2, someone that can sit for a full season and learn behind a vet, someone like Garrett Nussmeier , Drew Allar or Jaxson Dart

My problem with this is it's hard enough to get a good QB in round one. Think of all the busts in the first round over the years. Now realize that the odds of getting a good QB on day two go down that much more (even with taking time to develop said QB). Meanwhile, in the 2nd round you're passing on what will likely be a high quality player at another position.

The Jints have been down the path of going for day 2 and day 3 QBs before. We've ended up with guys like Ryan Nassib, Davis Webb, and Kyle Lauletta when we have done that.

Obviously I get that it's not impossible to get a good QB on day two. I know all the examples. It's a matter of probability, and also a matter of passing on a high quality prospect at another position.

Quote from: katkavage on November 15, 2024, 04:16:25 PMThey will draft a QB high whether they are sold on him or not. But they will tell us they are. Be prepared for that. It's the only chance both have to survive. And they will also sign a vet.

Valid point

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2024, 05:36:45 PMMy problem with this is it's hard enough to get a good QB in round one. Think of all the busts in the first round over the years. Now realize that the odds of getting a good QB on day two go down that much more (even with taking time to develop said QB). Meanwhile, in the 2nd round you're passing on what will likely be a high quality player at another position.

The Jints have been down the path of going for day 2 and day 3 QBs before. We've ended up with guys like Ryan Nassib, Davis Webb, and Kyle Lauletta when we have done that.

Obviously I get that it's not impossible to get a good QB on day two. I know all the examples. It's a matter of probability, and also a matter of passing on a high quality prospect at another position.

While I agree QBs are a crap shoot. Sadly we have gotten to a point that we need to take some sort of chance. IF we do not go for a QB in round 1, then we should at the very least get the best QB available in round 2

IMO if any of these men guys are here Garrett Nussmeier , Drew Allar or Jaxson Dart we should give it try. LET them sit for one full year and learn from whomever in under center


As far as the three we drafted in the later rounds

Kyle Lauletta 4th round

Davis Webb  3rd round

Ryan Nassib  4th round



I think its fair to say 2nd round prospects have a better chance of succeeding than the very late round guys mentioned above.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on November 15, 2024, 09:03:04 PMWhile I agree QBs are a crap shoot. Sadly we have gotten to a point that we need to take some sort of chance. IF we do not go for a QB in round 1, then we should at the very least get the best QB available in round 2

IMO if any of these men guys are here Garrett Nussmeier , Drew Allar or Jaxson Dart we should give it try. LET them sit for one full year and learn from whomever in under center


As far as the three we drafted in the later rounds

Kyle Lauletta 4th round

Davis Webb  3rd round

Ryan Nassib  4th round



I think its fair to say 2nd round prospects have a better chance of succeeding than the very late round guys mentioned above.

That's true, they do. But it's still a very difficult proposition. The first round is a difficult enough proposition.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2024, 05:36:45 PMMy problem with this is it's hard enough to get a good QB in round one. Think of all the busts in the first round over the years. Now realize that the odds of getting a good QB on day two go down that much more (even with taking time to develop said QB). Meanwhile, in the 2nd round you're passing on what will likely be a high quality player at another position.

The Jints have been down the path of going for day 2 and day 3 QBs before. We've ended up with guys like Ryan Nassib, Davis Webb, and Kyle Lauletta when we have done that.

Obviously I get that it's not impossible to get a good QB on day two. I know all the examples. It's a matter of probability, and also a matter of passing on a high quality prospect at another position.

But if they deal their high #1 for a passle of picks spending a 2 on a potential qb doesn't seem unreasonable to me.  And there's no guarantee that the position player you miss out on would be any good, either.  It's not just 1st tound QBs that a crapshoot.

Quote from: katkavage on November 15, 2024, 04:16:25 PMThey will draft a QB high whether they are sold on him or not. But they will tell us they are. Be prepared for that. It's the only chance both have to survive. And they will also sign a vet.

I hop you're wrong, but fear you're right.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 15, 2024, 09:26:15 PMI hop you're wrong, but fear you're right.

By not drafting a QB last draft they now have no choice. There is no other path for Schoen and Daboll

Quote from: AZGiantFan on November 15, 2024, 09:25:32 PMBut if they deal their high #1 for a passle of picks spending a 2 on a potential qb doesn't seem unreasonable to me.  And there's no guarantee that the position player you miss out on would be any good, either.  It's not just 1st tound QBs that a crapshoot.

Of course there is no guarantee. I'm dealing only in probabilities in the comments I made.

the pickings are extremely slim in the FA pool. maybe mariota? unless we make a trade but who are we really going to target?