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Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 09:31:17 AMIf it comes down to Nabers or Daboll, we'll have a new coach next year. Nabers clearly doesn't respect Daboll and his status as the #1 rookie carries weight in the locker room. There doesn't appear to be a veteran presence to check him.

As much as I want to have Daboll back, I'm not sure he survives this.

After the going for it on 4th down on his own 36, he put the team in a bad position and then calling a wildcat that they never used before when they just drove the ball down inside the ten, sealed the deal for him. Two of the dumbest play calls I've ever seen called for the Giants. It was Judge worthy. At that point, I said to myself, dead man walking. Those two plays alone killed any chance of being in that game.

Now he has his dumb as a post shiny hood ornament running his mouth with no consequences for weeks in a row.

No way he survives this unless he runs the table. What Mara hates more than anything is fans booing and leaving early.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 25, 2024, 09:37:48 AMHis friend? Schoen will be lucky if he keeps his job. GM openings don't come up every day. I don't think he'll give up his position because Daboll is gone.

Also, a GM hasn't fired anyone on this team since the George Young era. It will be Mara firing Daboll, and that's a big part of the problem. Mara doesn't have an idea who would make a good HC and who would be terrible. This is the man who hired Joe Judge for heaven's sake. This is why every 2-3 years we find ourselves in exactly the same situation.

There's a little nuance, which you alluded to in your second paragraph.

I'm not suggesting or saying that Schoen would quit simply because Daboll is gone. It's more to it than that. It's about who does the firing, that being Mara.

To your point, Mara has no clue how to evaluate a coach. His hiring and firing should not be allowed. Hire the GM and everyone else reports to the GM.

But what do I know? I'm just an older guy who places a premium on respect and clearly defined roles and responsibilities in an organization.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 09:41:30 AMAfter the going for it on 4th down on his own 36, he put the team in a bad position and then calling a wildcat that they never used before when they just drove the ball down inside the ten, sealed the deal for him. Two of the dumbest play calls I've ever seen called for the Giants. It was Judge worthy. At that point, I said to myself, dead man walking. Those two plays alone killed any chance of being in that game.

Now he has his dumb as a post shiny hood ornament running his mouth with no consequences for weeks in a row.

No way he survives this unless he runs the table. What Mara hates more than anything is fans booing and leaving early.

I'll say it again... I'm not a fan of a HC pulling double duty. Especially a first-time HC. I was against it from Day 1, but hopeful he could do it. Clearly, he can't.

And if he runs the table, he screws himself out of getting his QB.

He was dealt a bad hand but he also made it worse on himself.

Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 09:45:32 AMThere's a little nuance, which you alluded to in your second paragraph.

I'm not suggesting or saying that Schoen would quit simply because Daboll is gone. It's more to it than that. It's about who does the firing, that being Mara.

To your point, Mara has no clue how to evaluate a coach. His hiring and firing should not be allowed. Hire the GM and everyone else reports to the GM.

But what do I know? I'm just an older guy who places a premium on respect and clearly defined roles and responsibilities in an organization.

Mara is not interested in a really strong football mind and leader on the team. He would be sidelined immediately. Twice the Giants had the opportunity to go out and get Jim Harbaugh, a guy who would have turned this franchise around immediately. Instead, he went out and got Joe Judge, and the second time, he got Daboll. Harbaugh wasn't even considered. And I don't think that's an accident. Winning football is not the main priority for this franchise. The main priority is bringing along people that John and Chris Mara will get along with. 

Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 09:48:18 AMI'll say it again... I'm not a fan of a HC pulling double duty. Especially a first-time HC. I was against it from Day 1, but hopeful he could do it. Clearly, he can't.

And if he runs the table, he screws himself out of getting his QB.

He was dealt a bad hand but he also made it worse on himself.

At this point he's foolish to continue to call the plays and so involved in the Offensive Game plan when he should be free to keeping this team together. He should turn over the play calls back to Kafka. But he won't because he feels if he goes down, it will be because he gave it all he had.

Quite frankly, I think all that QB and Offensive Guru talk was just that. It's possible Buffalo wanted to get rid of him. Anger management and all.

My former Chairman of the Board had a saying when a buyer made a bad purchase. "We chased him, until he caught us."

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 09:54:09 AMAt this point he's foolish to continue to call the plays and so involved in the Offensive Game plan when he should be free to keeping this team together. He should turn over the play calls back to Kafka. But he won't because he feels if he goes down, it will be because he gave it all he had.

Quite frankly, I think all that QB and Offensive Guru talk was just that. It's possible Buffalo wanted to get rid of him. Anger management and all.

My former Chairman of the Board had a saying when a buyer made a bad purchase. "We chased him, until he caught us."

I think, as strictly an OC, he can call great games. Problem is, he can't multi-task. The team he was hired to run is suffering as a whole and the offense he took over voluntarily is looking like trash. He spread himself too thin (not a weight loss pun) and isn't doing well in any of his responsibilities. He can't even keep his rookie wideout in check.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on November 25, 2024, 09:52:19 AMMara is not interested in a really strong football mind and leader on the team. He would be sidelined immediately. Twice the Giants had the opportunity to go out and get Jim Harbaugh, a guy who would have turned this franchise around immediately. Instead, he went out and got Joe Judge, and the second time, he got Daboll. Harbaugh wasn't even considered. And I don't think that's an accident. Winning football is not the main priority for this franchise. The main priority is bringing along people that John and Chris Mara will get along with.

Spot on.

Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 09:58:56 AMI think, as strictly an OC, he can call great games. Problem is, he can't multi-task. The team he was hired to run is suffering as a whole and the offense he took over voluntarily is looking like trash. He spread himself too thin (not a weight loss pun) and isn't doing well in any of his responsibilities. He can't even keep his rookie wideout in check.

The team needs a Head Coach much more than a play caller. Was he ever cut out to be a head coach? Even last year he had no clue that Wink and his minions were running their own show.

How does Patty Traina know more about the locker room barometer than the HC?

I don't think he was ever ready to be a HC and now it's clear he's not cut out for the job. His priorities are screwed up and I can see it in his play calling now.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 09:41:30 AMAfter the going for it on 4th down on his own 36, he put the team in a bad position and then calling a wildcat that they never used before when they just drove the ball down inside the ten, sealed the deal for him. Two of the dumbest play calls I've ever seen called for the Giants. It was Judge worthy. At that point, I said to myself, dead man walking. Those two plays alone killed any chance of being in that game.

Now he has his dumb as a post shiny hood ornament running his mouth with no consequences for weeks in a row.

No way he survives this unless he runs the table. What Mara hates more than anything is fans booing and leaving early.

Frame the above post because it's the likely scenario.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 10:04:38 AMThe team needs a Head Coach much more than a play caller.

Truer words have not been spoken.   Far too often coaches are hired on their reputation of being a hot playcaller

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:10:05 AMTruer words have not been spoken.   Far too often coaches are hired on their reputation of being a hot playcaller

That's how they get noticed. If they weren't great in their current capacity, why would you want to elevate them to a higher position?

Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 10:13:11 AMThat's how they get noticed. If they weren't great in their current capacity, why would you want to elevate them to a higher position?

The league apparently is going to be in a really bad place when all the current retreads become too old in the next decade or so.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 09:41:30 AMAfter the going for it on 4th down on his own 36, he put the team in a bad position and then calling a wildcat that they never used before when they just drove the ball down inside the ten, sealed the deal for him. Two of the dumbest play calls I've ever seen called for the Giants. It was Judge worthy. At that point, I said to myself, dead man walking. Those two plays alone killed any chance of being in that game.

Now he has his dumb as a post shiny hood ornament running his mouth with no consequences for weeks in a row.

No way he survives this unless he runs the table. What Mara hates more than anything is fans booing and leaving early.

I felt like a game like this was coming (didn't think it would be this weekend) and regardless of what people think of him as an offensive mind or HC or any other way to look at it, the current trajectory leads to one place

Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 10:13:11 AMThat's how they get noticed. If they weren't great in their current capacity, why would you want to elevate them to a higher position?

Consider these great coaches.

Bill Parcells-  not a playcaller

Tom Coughlin-  not a playcaller

Bill Belichick-  called plays from time to time (on either side of the ball), but that wasn't the key to his success.

Mike Tomlin-  not a playcaller

The only coach I can think of among the greats is Andy Reid calling his own plays.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:17:12 AMConsider these great coaches.

Bill Parcells-  not a playcaller

Tom Coughlin-  not a playcaller

Bill Belichick-  called plays from time to time (on either side of the ball), but that wasn't the key to his success.

Mike Tomlin-  not a playcaller

The only coach I can think of among the greats is Andy Reid calling his own plays.

You're talking about guys from a different era. The times have changed.

If Detroit's offense was trash this season, would anyone be talking about Ben Johnson?