Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 13, 2025, 03:04:21 PMSanders has some of the smoothest set-to-throw of any QB I've seen the last few years.

Ed: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).

The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).

In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 02:51:39 AMEd: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).

The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).

In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).

Bob

Hard to make magic when you're playing behind a subpar OL.

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 02:51:39 AMEd: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).

The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).

In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).

Bob

You make a great point, Bob. I was thinking about the comparison of the smoothness and no wasted motion of the two QBs. However Daniels will make dynamic plays, while Sanders is not much of a risk taker. Both worked with great Receiving Talent but I always recall those deep Lamonica type bombs to Nabors and Thomas from Daniels. Which we never saw much of this season btw in NY.

Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 14, 2025, 04:50:37 AMHard to make magic when you're playing behind a subpar OL.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked

Darnold, Burrow, Stroud, Daniels, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield all in the top 10 most sacked QB's this year. All had really good seasons.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 13, 2025, 03:23:55 PMI see him being perfect for that Oregon style offense that Nix was in. That hot read, dink/dunk, and schemed open reads. I don't know that an NFL team runs that currently but that would be his best spot.

If Denver didn't draft Bo Nix last year, I can see Sean Payton and the Broncos making the pick in less than 2.5 seconds.

Quote from: Bob In PA on January 14, 2025, 02:51:39 AMEd: Your entire analysis is excellent, but I just cited one line to save space. I agree that his technicals and fundamental skills and knowledge are as solid as you'd expect for a kid who was raised from infancy to be an NFL QB (something like the Mannings' various situations, I suppose).

The chief problem I have with Sanders (other than his dad's potential meddling) is his intangibles. He just doesn't seem to have the "it" factor AT ALL. I can't explain it except to ask you to compare his tape to Daniels' college play. IMO, there's simply no "magic" happening. As a matter of fact, there's something that's a bit robotic about him. BUT... if the Giants agree with your views, I think they will take him and I will be quite pleased, because if they see it, I trust their judgment (notwithstanding the Jones fiasco).

In short, I'd rather be dead wrong (and see him come to the Giants and seriously change the team's current trajectory) than be right (and not see us get the winning QB which we so desperately need).

Bob

One other thing that sits with me in a negative light was the level of competition both QBs faced. Sanders struggled mightily against the Later Day Saints. Swap him out for Daniels and I suspect it's a jog in the park.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 13, 2025, 10:13:40 PMWe would kill for another 2016.

Why? So we can deal with another 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021? 

Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 14, 2025, 07:10:04 AMhttps://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked

Darnold, Burrow, Stroud, Daniels, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield all in the top 10 most sacked QB's this year. All had really good seasons.

You realize 5th most is only 48 times.  Last year our OL gave up what 85.  I'd kill to have our OL give up only 48.

Quote from: Soundwave401 on January 14, 2025, 07:10:04 AMhttps://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player-stat/passing-plays-sacked

Darnold, Burrow, Stroud, Daniels, Herbert, Hurts, Mayfield all in the top 10 most sacked QB's this year. All had really good seasons.

So did Sanders.

Coaches son who hasn't played a snap away from his dad. That scares me and to top it off Daboll is going to coach him good luck with that.

Quote from: coggs on January 14, 2025, 07:39:24 AMWhy? So we can deal with another 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, and 2021? 

2016 was a 5 game win improvement. So who would object to winning 8 games next season?

Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2025, 09:12:35 AM2016 was a 5 game win improvement. So who would object to winning 8 games next season?

Those who want Schoen and Daboll gone.

Quote from: T200 on January 14, 2025, 09:13:57 AMThose who want Schoen and Daboll gone.

I have no patience for fans rooting against their own team before the season even begins.

Quote from: TDToomer on January 14, 2025, 09:15:44 AMI have no patience for fans rooting against their own team before the season even begins.

You new here???   

Quote from: BlueMoshik on January 14, 2025, 04:50:37 AMHard to make magic when you're playing behind a subpar OL.

It's hard not to make magic when you're playing with the Heisman Trophy winner and best athlete in all of college football.