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Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on February 14, 2025, 07:13:43 AMThe Giants aren't trading the 3rd overall for Stafford.

I hope like hell you are correct.

Trading what shoudl be expected to be a foundational long term piece barring a trade down, for a 1-2 rental of a nearly washed up QB well past his prime?

Scary thought.

This would be so bad, I would instantly join others in calling for Schoens job.

Quote from: MrGap92 on February 14, 2025, 09:17:26 AMI hope like hell you are correct.

Trading what shoudl be expected to be a foundational long term piece barring a trade down, for a 1-2 rental of a nearly washed up QB well past his prime?

Scary thought.

This would be so bad, I would instantly join others in calling for Schoens job.

I would too.

I just don't see it happening. This isn't the NHL.

I am not enamored with either Ward and especially Sanders at 3, Not good value that are hardly sure things. Now if it's wifey that him in New York, and for a 3rd rounder..okay. Let's go. At 3, very possible Carter could be there,,or trade down, recoup the Stafford trade and fill holes.

Why are the Giants in conversations clearly with the Rams if they are sold on either Ward or Sanders? They're not and the package team of Daboll/Schoen ain't going to survive another Double Digit loss season with a bridge guy or a rookie starting.

Stafford is a better option. He can still play at a high level and it allows you to keep the 3rd pick..take a terrific star in Carter or trade down with someone in love with Shedurr..add vital talent and needs at the same time.

Not Craig Morton..at all. Just a 3rd..and add a star again in Carter..a corner..another WR..depth on the OL. Another tackle is a need. Free agency might help there But the roster gets a lift from being adrift.
This isn't the Craig Morton scenario..that's was idiotic. Here they give up a 3rd and improve..restore some pride..Not perfect .but aren't we tired of being out of it by Halloween. ???

I would be enraged if this happens.  Would be typical giants xxxxxxxx.  Trade assets we shouldn't be giving up for a guy that's got one foot in his football grave. For what,  a 7-10 season next year? So he can play the Tommy Cutlets role next year and cost us a QB in the 2026 draft.  Which i still maintain is better than taking Ward or Sanders this year. 

Sign Justin Fields to a two year deal and take a QB in the 2026 draft.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 14, 2025, 09:14:34 AMI suspect all this talk of Stafford to LA is just hot air and bull crap.  The Rams are just using the threat of trading away Stafford to the NFL version of Syberia as leverage to get him to sign a more team-friendly contract this season.

I hope you're right Rich. I was on a plane ride today and listened to a very recent episode of Big Blue Banter, a podcast I know you've said you like, and both Fallato and Schneier were speaking pretty supportively about the idea of bringing Stafford over here. Moreover they were presenting this topic as a bona fide, live possibility, with both teams still talking about it (as of the recording of the pod at least).

For the record, I absolutely HATE this idea, and I am a guy who has really liked Stafford over the years. I think a move like this would be beyond foolish, and it would signify the reality that Mara has set Schoen and Daboll up to max out on the present at the expense of the future by having basically given them a one year ultimatum to win more games.

Trading the #3 pick for Stafford would be the biggest, most moronic move the Giants could make.

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/big-blue-plus/nfl-talking-head-makes-bold-claims-about-giants-quarterback-thought-process-01jm8b1z21nn

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 17, 2025, 04:59:06 PMI hope you're right Rich. I was on a plane ride today and listened to a very recent episode of Big Blue Banter, a podcast I know you've said you like, and both Fallato and Schneier were speaking pretty supportively about the idea of bringing Stafford over here. Moreover they were presenting this topic as a bona fide, live possibility, with both teams still talking about it (as of the recording of the pod at least).

For the record, I absolutely HATE this idea, and I am a guy who has really liked Stafford over the years. I think a move like this would be beyond foolish, and it would signify the reality that Mara has set Schoen and Daboll up to max out on the present at the expense of the future by having basically given them a one year ultimatum to win more games.

I heard that episode.  I couldn't help but think how embarrassingly bad it was.   The price problem that I saw was Dan gave way too much credence to the fake insiders at BBI.   I mean even BBI acknowledges the issue by referring to them as "asshats"

As for Dan's strong endorsement (Nick, the guy I really respect, less so), I think Dan's desire to end the misery has him giving in to the lure of a quick fix that doesn't solve the problem.

Four pages on something that has zero chance of happening. Okay.

We all hope it doesnt happen, but to say its 0% is a bit premature, I hope like hell its 0%

Quote from: MrGap92 on February 18, 2025, 08:10:48 AMWe all hope it doesnt happen, but to say its 0% is a bit premature, I hope like hell its 0%

5 percent? That better?

I'd rather draft a QB and grab Fields. Then if the drafted guy isn't looking good draft another QB in 2026. If they move for Stafford I hope its not for a day 3 draft pick (or maybe a 3rdrd tops). We are not just a QB away

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2025, 05:55:26 AMI heard that episode.  I couldn't help but think how embarrassingly bad it was.   The price problem that I saw was Dan gave way too much credence to the fake insiders at BBI.   I mean even BBI acknowledges the issue by referring to them as "asshats"

As for Dan's strong endorsement (Nick, the guy I really respect, less so), I think Dan's desire to end the misery has him giving in to the lure of a quick fix that doesn't solve the problem.

I agree it was an incredibly poor episode. I almost quit in the middle of it multiple times. I don't listen to these guys that often, and this was a reminder of why. I was on a plane and didn't feel like paying for WiFi so I just went through some downloaded pods, and this was one of them. One brutal take after another for over an hour.

And while Schneier may have been a bit more gung ho, Fallato was supportive of it too.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 18, 2025, 06:50:42 PMI agree it was an incredibly poor episode. I almost quit in the middle of it multiple times. I don't listen to these guys that often, and this was a reminder of why. I was on a plane and didn't feel like paying for WiFi so I just went through some downloaded pods, and this was one of them. One brutal take after another for over an hour.

And while Schneier may have been a bit more gung ho, Fallato was supportive of it too.

Jeff,

It seems like the two of them have lost some of the passion for their podcast.   The latest show was a low-effort show.  The show used to be driven by Nick doing tape breakdowns, but I think this past losing season sort of pushed them off that approach.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on February 14, 2025, 03:57:07 PMI am not enamored with either Ward and especially Sanders at 3, Not good value that are hardly sure things. Now if it's wifey that him in New York, and for a 3rd rounder..okay. Let's go. At 3, very possible Carter could be there,,or trade down, recoup the Stafford trade and fill holes.

Why are the Giants in conversations clearly with the Rams if they are sold on either Ward or Sanders? They're not and the package team of Daboll/Schoen ain't going to survive another Double Digit loss season with a bridge guy or a rookie starting.

Stafford is a better option. He can still play at a high level and it allows you to keep the 3rd pick..take a terrific star in Carter or trade down with someone in love with Shedurr..add vital talent and needs at the same time.

Not Craig Morton..at all. Just a 3rd..and add a star again in Carter..a corner..another WR..depth on the OL. Another tackle is a need. Free agency might help there But the roster gets a lift from being adrift.
This isn't the Craig Morton scenario..that's was idiotic. Here they give up a 3rd and improve..restore some pride..Not perfect .but aren't we tired of being out of it by Halloween. ???

Spider, The Morton comparison was a top 5 pick who turned out to be Randy White (to the Cowboys no less). I have little issue with Stafford as an FA pick-up or a mid-late round pick. But our #3 overall for Stafford looks very much like the Morton for White pick.

I think if the Rams told Stafford they were trading him to the Giants there would be a press conference the next day to announce his retirement.