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Fully pumped for this one.
Should win this one. The match-up is very favorable for the Giants.
Let's go!!!
Fired up for today. Great weather, crowd should be good, nice matchup for our Giants.
I'm pumped!
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Giants announce WR Gunner Olszewski suffered a groin injury in warmups and he's out of today's game. Olszewski had been dealing with groin injury and was limited all week but had no injury designation for game. #giants
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Giants medical and training camp is in midseason form
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1832824054623117730
Weird, I actually have butterflies in my stomach :doh:
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Giants announce WR Gunner Olszewski suffered a groin injury in warmups and he's out of today's game. Olszewski had been dealing with groin injury and was limited all week but had no injury designation for game. #giants
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Groin injuries require sufficient time to heal completely or run the risk of tearing off the bone when reinjuring them by trying to come back too soon.
He likely needs a good two to three months to heal and rehab properly before playing again.
Peace!
Beautiful, sunny day. The 100th anniversary uniforms look awesome!
Let's go!
Great start
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Not exactly the first offensive series I was hoping for.
Ugly all round first series. Cmon giants.
What an embarrassing opening series.
Awful first series and the punt almost gets blocked. Hope the defense looks better
Sigh
Lets see how this starting defense is
Yeah not a great start there. Hopefully the defense gets us the ball back quick.
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Sexy Dexy....
SEXY DEXY BABY!
That's a clear fumble!
Huge first defensive series though. Looked awesome and a fabulous result.
Offense needs to get six here. A field goal is a terrible outcome. Don't let that happen.
Well defense is looking real nice! Wooo
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NIICCCEEEE defense baby
Sexy Dexy looking spectacular and the rook creating a fumble
Wow. Brilliant from the D.
Let's go Jones!
DEFENCE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS! 😁
Calling run plays for Jones considering his ACL and Neck ...scares me
This offense seems familiar. Nobody was opened.
Dammnnn ... that was good tackle.. Jones had a pathway to the endzone
Vikings already shading coverage toward Nabers. Really says something about what we have
Pretty conservative play calling
Same offense different year
D Jones scared to throw
He is probably thinking
Don't screw up
Kick the field goal
But we can't win like that
FG feels like a loss TBH.
But that's 3 runs from Jones, 2 of them right, head first into contact.
He's hurt by Halloween at the latest if this is the norm.
Very lacklustre start for the offense. Gifted amazing field position and can't muster up much of anything.
Got to throw it in the endzone
Pretty weak holding call there but I'll take it
So is that 2 possessions and 1st down that was via the QBs legs? Looks similar. Pass blocking was better
Quote from: VanPelt on September 08, 2024, 01:19:41 PMGot to throw it in the endzone
To be fair, nobody was open on that third play; it was a smart to not force the throw, especially against Sam Donald, who's just awful.
Lawrence is destroying the OL.
How is that PI? Jackson turned to look for the ball. What else is he supposed to do?
Thats a weak call
Jaysus.....that's a sh1t PI call, Addison bought it.
BS call.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 01:23:13 PMHow is that PI? Jackson turned to look for the ball. What else is he supposed to do?
I thought it was a 50/50 call at best.
Refs completely gave Minny this drive...what a load of sh**
Quote from: MagicRat on September 08, 2024, 01:23:55 PMJaysus.....that's a sh1t PI call, Addison bought it.
He created all the contact. Can't bail QBs out for poorly underthrown balls like that
Brutal start to the game outside of one defensive series (which was awesome). The D followed that up by getting worked on the next series though.
Need to see the offense get something going here. Let's go.
Horrible call. NFL refs are the show
How the heck does Jones get the corner there...ugly!
Those uniforms are killing me
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:25:38 PMBrutal start to the game outside of one defensive series (which was awesome). The D followed that up by getting worked on the next series though.
Need to see the offense get something going here. Let's go.
This drive should have ended... bs PI call
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 01:26:17 PMThose uniforms are killing me
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I agree woodman...I wish I didn't have 8K today.
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 01:26:17 PMThose uniforms are killing me
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Wouldn't it be nice if that were the only issue?
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 01:26:17 PMThose uniforms are killing me
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I don't mind them, but I'm also not a fan of their regular jerseys. Would much rather see them go back to the 80s style jerseys they've been using as color rush jerseys for the past few years
It's pretty clear already that we need to make things happen in the trenches on D cos the secondary..... :o
Terrible call I think, but defense has to seal the outside on a run whether the drive should have been over or not.
Having Jones run 2 designed runs is plain stupid this early in season.
And by the way, he looks rusty and indecisive. I wanna see him changing plays and reading defense
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 01:29:19 PMHaving Jones run 2 designed runs is plain stupid this early in season.
And by the way, he looks rusty and indecisive. I wanna see him changing plays and reading defense
Or, the coaches know Jones capabilities, and feel are best chance to win is to limit his throwing (ala 2022).
A passing first down!!
Dimes really bird-dogged that receiver. Needs to be more deceptive.
Jones locked on receiver whole time almost intercepted
Jaysus, close to a pick
Offensive line doing great.
There's Malik
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:31:48 PMDimes really bird-dogged that receiver. Needs to be more deceptive.
Nabers looks the part; excited he's on the team.
Better!! Much better, O line stood up to let it develop.
Delay game, 12 in huddle. Is this Dabol fault?
12 in.....how the hell does that happen FFS
These pre-snap penalties... great way to break up getting a rhythm.
Hope they are getting the jitters out now that Nabers made a play. They need to settle down
These procedure penalties are brutal
Now a false start....gimme a break!!
I don't see any audibles whatsoever. I watched eagles and chiefs and I saw the QB doing it all the time.
One thing for certain, our starters should've played more in preseason. This is ugly for a home game
Damn referees
We are losing... these penalties are out of control
This offense is certainly a work in progress. Penalties galore......two yard pass on 2nd and 24 :goteam:
Horrible pass by jones
Wow...that was awesome. 3 guys touched the ball there.
Wonder if Jones was expecting Robinson to keep going there instead of sitting
Heads-up play on Teams!!
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 01:40:52 PMHorrible pass by jones
Wouldn't have been a first down anyway and we still got a perfect punt, but it's dismaying to see him that inaccurate on such a routine check-down type throw to someone the D didn't even care about and was nowhere near.
Why don't they show other game scores?
Hah! Good job on special teams there. It looked scary.
Great Special Teams effort
Offense needs to get it together .... the penalties are preventing any type of momentum
Put that anywhere near Wandale and maybe you have a FG. No excuse for that miss.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 01:41:26 PMWonder if Jones was expecting Robinson to keep going there instead of sitting
I was thinking that.
Well I thought "Sh1t throw or bad route" to be accurate.
O looks rough. Sheesh.
I think it's fair to have a conversation that we should've had offense play a lot more in preseason. Coaches certainly don't have them ready procedurally that's for sure
I told myself that I'd stay positive for the entire game. It ain't easy.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:41:50 PMWouldn't have been a first down anyway and we still got a perfect punt, but it's dismaying to see him that inaccurate on such a routine check-down type throw to someone the D didn't even care about and was nowhere near.
On pace again to have less than 150 yards passing, which has been the norm over the last 4 years. Still, it's only the 1st qtr and plenty of time to improve the passing game. If they cant play well against the Sam D led Min, who will they play well against?
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 01:42:21 PMPut that anywhere near Wandale and maybe you have a FG. No excuse for that miss.
Guess you didn't notice that a rusher was in Jones face forcing him to throw the ball early
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Our D doesn't exactly have blazing speed on the outside. Have gotten flat out outrun around the corner multiple times already in key situations (one for a TD).
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 01:42:52 PMI think it's fair to have a conversation that we should've had offense play a lot more in preseason. Coaches certainly don't have them ready procedurally that's for sure
Echos of last season, we seem to be coming in undercooked again.
Too many penalties killing the flow of this game!!!
Quote from: todge on September 08, 2024, 01:44:37 PMGuess you didn't notice that a rusher was in Jones face forcing him to throw the ball early
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He can still be accurate even if he's rushed.
No pressure on that 2nd and 12
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 01:42:52 PMI think it's fair to have a conversation that we should've had offense play a lot more in preseason. Coaches certainly don't have them ready procedurally that's for sure
I'm in full agreement. Couldn't agree more. It seems we'd rather not taking a small risk of our offensive guys getting hurt than run a very high risk that they'll be completely out of sync and off their games in at least week one if not beyond that.
Our hyped up edge rush is doing nothing so far. Darnold can wear a tuxedo back there.
We give Darnold time in the pocket Jefferson will kill us over the top.
D backs are a huge problem for this team
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Must be Thanksgiving as Darnold is carving up the Giants' defense.
There was concern on our secondary before the season, and that is definitely warranted. Not great. :scared:
OK Bowen this is supposed to be your bread and butter ...force them to a FG .. since you don't like bringing pressure
We need to dial up a blitz if Darnold is going to be having all day like this
If I'm Minnesota I'm 100% going for this
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:47:28 PMI'm in full agreement. Couldn't agree more. It seems we'd rather not taking a small risk of our offensive guys getting hurt than run a very high risk that they'll be completely out of sync and off their games in at least week one if not beyond that.
Thibs is gassed already
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Darnold carving them up.
Down 2 scores in the 1st half. That seems very familiar.
Don't think that drive can be blamed on the refs.
Banks is a problem
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Getting Smoked by Sam D and Minn, at home. Sigh.
Team is not ready to play again
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We've just been dismantled on a drive by Sam Darnold.
I'll let that sink in for a second....
We look awful. Getting dominated on both sides of the ball by a bad team.
One good defensive series and one nice special teams play. That's it. Everything else has been horrible.
It may be time to switch to a more competitive game.
Quote from: todge on September 08, 2024, 01:44:37 PMGuess you didn't notice that a rusher was in Jones face forcing him to throw the ball early
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Hah, sure thing.
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 01:51:51 PMBanks is a problem
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Hes going up against the NFL's best WR, with no help. He's a good player, but there's not a CB in the league that can cover JJ one-on-one all day. He's going to be ok
This is embarrassing
Defense not doing sh**
And DJ you better take a fken shot down the field already
Sitting out preseason is for the weak. Play the starters so they are ready for season
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99 yards. :o ~X( :boooo: Redfaced :no:
This is on the head coach. We are not ready to play football
Goodness me.
Darnold, a back-up, having his way with us. Yikes.
Offense has to step up. Prove your worth.
53 linebacker is not ready for NFL speed
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This is why the first team needs to fken play more in the preseason ... idc if one of the games is against the other teams 2's
Coaching is a problem...
Daboll is now only on offense...still weak playcalling...
And the D calls are bad...isolating Banks on Jefferson? Really?
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 01:50:16 PMOK Bowen this is supposed to be your bread and butter ...force them to a FG .. since you don't like bringing pressure
We need to dial up a blitz if Darnold is going to be having all day like this
Bowen isn't big on blitzing. The team spent a 2nd round pick and 30 million/year so they could rush 4 and get pressure. It's the 1st half of the 1st game, let's see if Burns can make an impact going forward.
This is pathetic, no offense and no defense.
That was a 99 yd drive
Can our offense even score 14 pts?
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 01:51:51 PMBanks is a problem
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There are probably only five corners in the NFL that can cover Jefferson without any help. You put him on an island like that and Jefferson scores 0% of the time.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:47:28 PMI'm in full agreement. Couldn't agree more. It seems we'd rather not taking a small risk of our offensive guys getting hurt than run a very high risk that they'll be completely out of sync and off their games in at least week one if not beyond that.
Sam Darnold had the fourth most passing attempts of any Vikings QB in preaseason. Aaron Jones didn't have a single rushing attempt, Justin Jefferson didn't have a single catch and Jordan Addison had all of one. Yet the Vikings offense looks to be completely in synch. Is it possible that not playing in preseason isn't what's holding the Giants back here?
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 01:53:03 PMHes going up against the NFL's best WR, with no help. He's a good player, but there's not a CB in the league that can cover JJ one-on-one all day. He's going to be ok
Agree. Can't leave Jefferson 1 on 1 in that situation. That's why they got rid of Wink.
Quote from: VanPelt on September 08, 2024, 01:55:15 PMThis is pathetic, no offense and no defense.
That was a 99 yd drive
Can our offense even score 14 pts?
No, not with Jones as our quarterback. He is historically bad.
What a garbage throw by DJ.
Jones making bad throws to open guys with perfectly sufficient protection.
Awful throw. Jesus.
Quote from: todge on September 08, 2024, 01:44:37 PMGuess you didn't notice that a rusher was in Jones face forcing him to throw the ball early
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How laughable
There was no one anywhere around the receiver
Reposition with back pedal, Change release angle and/or arc
This is football if he can't hit a pass to an open receiver 10 yards away because of one defender rushing , bench him now
That's on jones
Quote from: VanPelt on September 08, 2024, 01:55:15 PMCan our offense even score 14 pts?
I very much doubt it.
Inaccuracy on full display right now.
Run game will be subpar all year. Singletary is not a lead back. I'm hoping tracy proves to be something. Gray is a JAG at best.
1 on 1 coverage on the goal line against a top 3 WR in the NFL. Banks was set up to fail there.
That's, what, three designed runs by Jones?
Horrific third down call.
So the line is not much better
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:57:53 PMRun game will be subpar all year. Singletary is not a lead back. I'm hoping tracy proves to be something. Gray is a JAG at best.
Hes ran the ball 5 times ... for 20 yards ... not terrible
We already knew he wasn't a big play RB ...but if he can get us 4-5 yard chunks that isn't bad
Four.....absolute garbage.
What absolute garbage play calling!
Daboll WTF ARE YOU DOING
LOL...the coaches won't even let DJ throw on third and short. Currently, on pace for under 100 passing yards.
So far the D is as bad as the O. Penalties plague us. Once again we do not look prepared which will lead to questions for Daboll et al.
We might be competing with the Panthers to draft Ewers if this is the shape of things to come but I cross my fingers that we stop shooting ourselves in the foot soon.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 01:57:53 PMRun game will be subpar all year. Singletary is not a lead back. I'm hoping tracy proves to be something. Gray is a JAG at best.
They can run on Vikings but that will negated if they fall further behind.
Same conservative, BS offense. Can we take a shot down the field please?
Two quarterback draws in a row. I thought Daboll was an offensive genius. Moron.
Jones look horrible. Daboll looks worse!
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 01:59:52 PMLOL...the coaches won't even let DJ throw on third and short. Currently, on pace for under 100 passing yards.
2 designed runs. Not a whole lot of confidence shown with that play calling.
Love the empty backfield QB sneak. Let's just leave it all on Jones' shoulders.
Quote from: goNets on September 08, 2024, 02:01:35 PMLove the empty backfield QB sneak. Let's just leave it all on Jones' shoulders.
Are you surprised they're trying to rely on their $40MM QB? Should they be running the offense through the journey Singletary?
This is on Daboll.....on a number of levels.
Garbage play calling, and for the second season in a row a team that's showed up looking like it's July.
QB run is the offenses best play still. Not good
If Jones could throw it the play calling would be better.
godawful first half by the offense. Jones looks terrible. wow, really bad. :boooo: Redfaced :doh:
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 02:00:54 PMJones look horrible. Daboll looks worse!
Yards Per Attempt - 13 vs 4.
Hmmmmmm!!!!
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 02:02:55 PMAre you surprised they're trying to rely on their $40MM QB? Should they be running the offense through the journey Singletary?
I'd expect them to at least try to run the offense through his arm to some extent. We have three receivers that run a sub-4.4 40 and we haven't tried anything more than like 10 yards down the field.
Defense standing around, look exhausted!...team is not ready to play mentally or physically. Daboll needs to be on a short leash. Bellichick is waiting in the wings.
Quote from: MagicRat on September 08, 2024, 02:03:26 PMThis is on Daboll.....on a number of levels.
Garbage play calling, and for the second season in a row a team that's showed up looking like it's July.
How many years straight have fans blamed the OC? The problem with the offense is abundantly clear, and it's not the play calling...
Ted
Darnold hit a receiver with a pass rush in his face
How is that possible ?
He is completely outplaying Jones with accuracy and decisions
Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 02:05:00 PMI'd expect them to at least try to run the offense through his arm to some extent. We have three receivers that run a sub-4.4 40 and we haven't tried anything more than like 10 yards down the field.
He nearly threw a pick birddogging a reciever, threw behind Wandale, threw at Johnson's feet, and missed Wandale wide open. I think there's a reason he's avoiding relying on DJ's arm right now...
I really have to laugh at the commentators. "If Darnold can continue to throw accurately outside the numbers -- it is going to be a long day for the Giants secondary". Like that is so easy to do or something. A journeyman back-up on his 4 th team I think?
Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 02:05:00 PMI'd expect them to at least try to run the offense through his arm to some extent. We have three receivers that run a sub-4.4 40 and we haven't tried anything more than like 10 yards down the field.
We've actually thrown more than Minn 12 vs 10. The difference is, we're 7 - 12 for an embarrassing 48 yards.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on September 08, 2024, 02:03:58 PMgodawful first half by the offense. Jones looks terrible. wow, really bad. :boooo: Redfaced :doh:
How about the defense giving up. A 99 yard td drive
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Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 02:05:00 PMI'd expect them to at least try to run the offense through his arm to some extent. We have three receivers that run a sub-4.4 40 and we haven't tried anything more than like 10 yards down the field.
sitting him all summer meant slowly bringing him along now
They should've made them play the whole preseason or atleast 3 of every 4 quarters
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 02:06:29 PMHe nearly threw a pick birddogging a reciever, threw behind Wandale, threw at Johnson's feet, and missed Wandale wide open. I think there's a reason he's avoiding relying on DJ's arm right now...
This!!!!!
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 02:05:45 PMHow many years straight have fans blamed the OC? The problem with the offense is abundantly clear, and it's not the play calling...
It's not a single problem. It's the QB, the talent (or lack of), AND the play calling.
Defense looks as clueless as the offense
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Jesus.. this is frustrating to watch
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 02:08:04 PMIt's not a single problem. It's the QB, the talent (or lack of), AND the play calling.
The play calling is predicated on the talent. You cant call 7-step drops if you don't have the OL OR QB.
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 02:05:27 PMDefense standing around, look exhausted!...team is not ready to play mentally or physically. Daboll needs to be on a short leash. Bellichick is waiting in the wings.
No thanks. Great coach, but too old and wants too much control. It won't end well.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 02:06:29 PMHe nearly threw a pick birddogging a reciever, threw behind Wandale, threw at Johnson's feet, and missed Wandale wide open. I think there's a reason he's avoiding relying on DJ's arm right now...
Running this conservative crap clearly isn't working. I don't care if he turns the ball over. The offense they're currently operating with gives them no chance.
ALL DAY
Bowen you have to bring extra pressure
Bill B was very smart to say he wants to coach again in 2025. One of his most beloved teams may have an opening.
His knee was down...refs better not do a BS spot
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 02:09:23 PMThe play calling is predicated on the talent. You cant call 7-step drops if you don't have the OL OR QB.
No disagreement there. But my point still stands... it's not "A" problem. There are multiple. Pointing to just one ignores the others.
It's a new defense that zone heavy. Okereke, Phillips and Lawrence are the only defenders who are making any plays.
2 delay of games not called, that first Defensive PI call was BS, turned his head around and actually offensive player had his hands over Jacksons face.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 02:10:53 PMNo disagreement there. But my point still stands... it's not "A" problem. There are multiple. Pointing to just one ignores the others.
I just dont see play calling as even a small concern; Daball has proven with a capable OL and QB, he's a capable play caller. The problem is, we don't have either of those...
This is a goddamn embarrassment
Holy xxxx!!!!
Quote from: DragonSoul on September 08, 2024, 02:12:11 PM2 delay of games not called, that first Defensive PI call was BS, turned his head around and actually offensive player had his hands over Jacksons face.
Yeah, the refs are losing the game.
How do you know you do not have a good oline yet? It's been 1/2 of football with the all new players?
Just go deep DJ... this game is out of our hands at this point .... if nothing happens soon this game is over
We need something before the half
Quote from: madbadger on September 08, 2024, 02:09:34 PMNo thanks. Great coach, but too old and wants too much control. It won't end well.
I'm almost at the point where I'll take BB and whatever control he wants over whatever the hell this organization has been doing since Super Bowl 46.
Paintin' Manning :P :P
Quote from: katkavage on September 08, 2024, 02:13:26 PMYeah, the refs are losing the game.
Come on. The refs? Every team in the NFL get that 1/2 split second and, that PI was obvious as hell . He didn't play the ball at all. The fact is this offense lookalike the same old thing since like Coach Garrett was here with Joe judge. What was the one constant?
Quote from: Fletch on September 08, 2024, 02:13:59 PMHow do you know you do not have a good oline yet? It's been 1/2 of football with the all new players?
3 of 5 of the Oline consist of journeymen on their 4th/5th team and a guard who's been, at best, average over the first 4 years. Meanwhile, DJ misses another WR by a country mile.
Another unacceptably bad throw by Jones on 2nd and 3 on a routine short three. The protection is sufficient.
Jones needs replaced asap
Bro DJ wtf... why is every pass to Theo Johnson behind him
Quote from: Fletch on September 08, 2024, 02:15:53 PMCome on. The refs? Every team in the NFL get that 1/2 split second and, that PI was obvious as hell . He didn't play the ball at all. The fact is this offense lookalike the same old thing since like Coach Garrett was here with Joe judge. What was the one constant?
The Giants are getting physically dominated...
If SLayton wasnt irate they would have let that slide
Who is that sack on?
I do like the beard at least
Vilma is garbage at his job. Everyone covered? You had Hyatt one-on-on and Robinson WIDE OPEN in the middle of the screen.
Is nobody on this team ever open?
He is just not a good QB. At all
That shouldve been a roughing the passer considering how soft the league is now
Aaaaanand another awful throw with great protection.
I don't love booing but I don't blame the fans for booing him. $40mm a year is a lot of money. You could have an elite corner and elite ILB for that money.
So far. O line d line and d backs s suck
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Another unwatchable season, team booed into the locker room yet again.
Jones ...
Second half you have to wake up
Jones is not good. Throw the ball
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40 mil dollars for 55 passing yards.
Yikes.
I'd rather be paying 18/20mil and spending the other money elsewhere.
It's woeful.
4 more weeks of this and they'll pull him to look after the injury guarantee.
Jones looks like he knows he's gone after this year and could not care less.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 02:19:42 PMThat shouldve been a roughing the passer considering how soft the league is now
If that were to happen that would mean more of their yards would have been from penalties than anything else I believe
loosing is one thing; however, the DJ-led offense over 5-years is just boring to consume. How much more of do fans need to see?
To think we had a thread titled Jones derangement syndrome. He is the worst starting quarterback in NY Giants history. If he wasn't forced by Mara to give Jones that extension Schoen should lose his job for giving to sort of money to an absolute stiff. He can't even complete routine passes.
If this keeps up Daball may not last the year
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What a disastrous start to the season. Ridiculous penalties, DJ getting sacked, nobody getting open, poor throws, dropped passes, no ground game...and starting the year with zero TDs in the first half...WTF
Put in Devito
Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 02:19:27 PMIs nobody on this team ever open?
They are. We just have a middle school quality starting quarterback. Wandale Robinson was wide open in the middle of the field. Jones either didn't see him or has the yips so bad that he couldn't throw it.
Anyone surprised if Lock finished the game at this point. Jones is awful period.
He should bench Jones and put in Lock. Can't hurt
It's one half, but let's not pretend like this is in any way acceptable. Had to be lectured about how Jones needs time and weapons. Well, he's had some time today and some open receivers and he can't put it on players. Not in the same zip code at times.
If they continue this way, Jones should be replaced by week 4 at the latest. It's not all his fault but he's awful. Yes a DL was coming at him on that awful throw to Johnson but come on. He's wide open.
Quote from: sooners56 on September 08, 2024, 02:22:26 PMPut in Devito
It's still early, and DJ has A LOT of rust; however, if this continues for 5 or 6 more quarters, I think they'll be real pressure to bench DJ.
This is God-awful, more of the same.
The O line, well it's better but they're still getting home with four.
Our much vaunted D front......
Jones....he is what he is, those throws at the end of the half were awful.
The secondary.....as we all feared.
Again, we look like it's July on opening weekend.
This coukd be another ugly one.....season not game.
Quote from: TDToomer on September 08, 2024, 02:24:01 PMAnyone surprised if Lock finished the game at this point. Jones is awful period.
If they are going to Bench Jones ... they need to be logical and play Devito .... Lock takes us nowhere ... Devito is young ..... just see what he can do
Quote from: goNets on September 08, 2024, 02:24:29 PMIf they continue this way, Jones should be replaced by week 4 at the latest. It's not all his fault but he's awful. Yes a DL was coming at him on that awful throw to Johnson but come on. He's wide open.
Week 4? How about by the 4th quarter today.
Quote from: MagicRat on September 08, 2024, 02:03:26 PMThis is on Daboll.....on a number of levels.
Garbage play calling, and for the second season in a row a team that's showed up looking like it's July.
he better get it together. It'll be Not For Long for him too with Belicheck walking around
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Where all my "Jones is great" fan club members?...the guy has had time and his throws are simply awful and he almost got picked off at least 2x!...looks like he is scared back there.
I have no confidence at all he can lead this team down the field when needed.
How many pass plays past 15 yards?
Quote from: Philosophers on September 08, 2024, 02:10:02 PMBill B was very smart to say he wants to coach again in 2025. One of his most beloved teams may have an opening.
Is he bringing Tom Brady from 10 years ago with him? If not, no thanks.
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Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 02:24:15 PMIt's one half, but let's not pretend like this is in any way acceptable. Had to be lectured about how Jones needs time and weapons. Well, he's had some time today and some open receivers and he can't put it on players. Not in the same zip code at times.
It's not one qtr...we're going on 5 years of absolute ineptitude. Given the volume of QB running plays, its apparent the coaches don't trust their QB. Still, I don't expect DJ to be this bad all year; I suspect some of the poor 1st half play is a byproduct of missing most of last season.
Quote from: SUPERSEE on September 08, 2024, 02:26:17 PMhe better get it together. It'll be Not For Long for him too with Belicheck walking around
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Belichick hasn't had it for quite some time. He built a horrible roster in NE. His time has come and gone. Daboll won COTY hiding DJ. He deserves an actual QB to mold.
Bobby Slowik should be priority number 1!
Jones did this all summer long. Our beat writers said "jones started slow but then was lights out" etc...let's see if he can at least make this a game.
Imagine if we were playing in Minnesota?...a mess that would be
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 02:25:57 PMIf they are going to Bench Jones ... they need to be logical and play Devito .... Lock takes us nowhere ... Devito is young ..... just see what he can do
He is not that young. 25+ is old to see what you have.
I can't believe anyone is surprised by this. This team was designed to work with Barkley. Without him -- it is like when he was out with injury, and it was "well Barkley was hurt". Now it is like the dude is scoring 3 TDs in a game on another team and they still look like the same team when Barkley was hurt.
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 02:21:39 PMIf this keeps up Daball may not last the year
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I dunno, I don't think Schoen fires his buddy until he gets a go around with a different QB.
And I don't think ownership are binning Schoen.
It's two quarters, but if those quarters are replicated for any lengthy period we're picking early again.
I don't follow college ball, what's coming out?
Jones can't have any pocket pressure, and the WR must be wide open and sitting in a route. If he has any rusher at all near him, or if the WR is moving, he misses. ITs Lock/DeVito time
This really looks like the giants are playing with a project QB who was a pretty good Australian Rules Football player.
Jones needs a cardinals like second half here.
Dear lord, it's been bad but we will still hear it's someone's fault.
Belichick is not the answer guys. Bringing in what will be a 73 year old next year who is more focused on his media career and 25 year old girlfriend now is not the solution. Moreover he's been terrible at player selection for a long time now, and he'd insist on being the deciding voice on that front.
I'm as demoralized about this team as everyone else here, but that is not the answer. I am positive of that. I tend to doubt he'll even be interested anyway.
Best we can hope for is a repeat of the AZ game.
Down 2 scores in the 1st half to a middle of the road team at home. Very reminiscent of last year.
The 3 points on the board are courtesy of the defense, who aside from that 1st possession hasn't looked good.
Jones should be sat for the 2nd half.
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Darnold the leading passer today so far. Our secondary is really not great but I was hoping that out DL would give him a little more to worry about, but they seem tired already. I wonder how much the offensive woes are affecting the gumption of the defense.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 02:28:05 PMBelichick hasn't had it for quite some time. He built a horrible roster in NE. His time has come and gone. Daboll won COTY hiding DJ. He deserves an actual QB to mold.
Lil Bill is 82-98 without Tom Brady; post Brady, he also built one of, if not the literal worst rosters in the NFL. He will be 73 in April...the Giants are NOT going to hire BB, and I doubt anyone else will either. Dabol deserves to pick and mold is an actual passing QB before we fire him too. Seriously, some fans are advocating for firing our 4th coach in the DJ era. Isn't the real issue obvious?
In short, I agree with you!
I'd rather see Lock and I think Lock sucks.
Maybe shave the beard at halftime
Jones with 3.4 YPA in the first half against a bad defense in a home game with an elite receiver talent in his arsenal. Just not good enough. We'd be saying this was a bad first half for a week one rookie QB. Protection was more than adequate and at least five or six throws were wildly off target. It's just not acceptable. I've really had enough of it.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on September 08, 2024, 02:31:44 PMJones needs a cardinals like second half here.
Dear lord, it's been bad but we will still hear it's someone's fault.
Next excuse will be the Giants ruined his confidence or psyche. If he's that fragile mentally then he has no business playing meaningful snaps. We're watching Sam freaking Darnold, who was pilloried and bounced around the league, still go out there and sling it.
Dabol is a terrible coach he is coaching scared and it sucks. Not attempting the end zone just ridiculous. I'm done with that guy. I realize you can't get any continuity going with him. The plays he is calling is trash absolute trash.
We're making castoff Sam Darnold look like the second coming of Brady/Mahomes and the greatest QB in decades :sick:
Burns with some pressure finally
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 02:35:07 PMJones with 3.4 YPA in the first half against a bad defense in a home game with an elite receiver talent in his arsenal. Just not good enough. We'd be saying this was a bad first half for a week one rookie QB. Protection was more than adequate and at least five or six throws were wildly off target. It's just not acceptable. I've really had enough of it.
At this point, I'd rather see him make risky throws in hopes of some high reward than what we've been seeing. What we're seeing is very clearly not going to work.
I'd like to hear from some of those who actually feel he is a very good QB
Quote from: Giantleap56 on September 08, 2024, 02:37:14 PMDabol is a terrible coach he is coaching scared and it sucks. Not attempting the end zone just ridiculous. I'm done with that guy. I realize you can't get any continuity going with him. The plays he is calling is trash absolute trash.
The coaches aren't missing wide-open WRs...
these team is fken done .....WTF THIBS
You have to be kidding me.
Same old stupid team. Make a d stand and superstar gets called for face mask
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McFadden is out for how long ? Massau needs to sit
This is awful
Dear lord.
Im already over the season
Its over
Fire Da boll at end of day. A full year and this is what they put on the field ?
Embarrassing
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So far O'Connell is demolishing Bowen while Flores owns Daboll.
The continuation of bad
to start the season..the 100th anniversary.. and play this listless, confused and inept is a disgrace. But its a decade and more morass of the same. Vikings 99-yard drive was their first since 2008. And injuries haven't hit yet. DJ is a lost cause, or a never was. This is sad.
Everything that could possibly go wrong has gone wrong. This secondary is a joke. Keep cheering on letting our best safeties leaving year after year and this is what you get.
Unacceptable...
Daboll is not HC material...in over his head
He can do ONE job well...OC...can't multi-task or lead...
I'm done
Okay.
Now Jones, it's time to play like you're playing last year's Cards or the Houston backups.
Let's go. Air it out. It's all sh1t so far. It won't get worse. Please. Training wheels off. It's year six. Let's go.
Looks like my low expectations are keeping my emotions in check comparatively.
We can't be this bad again...
Every friggin year...
We just can't be this friggin bad again...
We knew it would take the Defense time to get up to speed, but with this Offense, it's like Deja vu all over again
Where do we ho from here?
Clean house again?
Or give this GM/coach combo a go around with their own QB?
Jones would have still thrown the screen to Jefferson instead of the TD pass to Nailor.
Daboll needs to be aggressive and Jones just needs to chuck it ..... we are down 18... if we have these dumpoffs the game is instantly over
I miss Coughlin and Eli man.... so much losing
no one will ever be Strahan/Tuck/Osi/JPP .... no offense Burns
We have fallen so far as a franchise that we are literally NON-COMPETITIVE against a bad team in a home game with our whole team healthy. They're missing one of their best players in Hockenson. Imagine if he were playing.
This Vikings team won't be in the playoffs. Week one last year was beyond humiliating but at least it was to a team that is loaded with great players on both sides of the ball. This is much worse even if the ultimate scoreboard deficit isn't.
Thibs. Was supposed to be a stud. Where is he?...he's handled easily by one Tackle.
Who decided to choose him?
Who decided to choose Banks?
Who decided to choose Neal?
Let's start there.
And burn those god awful friggin rags the brass are pushing off as uniforms!!!!!
Darnold made a great throw with someone right in his grill.
So it can happen.
No hurry up offense?...Really?
Add in the stupid uniforms and this team looks like a circus act
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Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 02:45:24 PMAdd in the stupid uniforms and this team looks like a circus act
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LOL..that was funny.
It all starts and ends at the Quarterback position. If you're playing defense and you know your QB sucks, it will suck the air out of you.
Daboll and his xxxxxxxx play calling isn't helping.
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My god Nabers has hops ......
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 02:46:58 PMMy god Nabers has hops ......
You can just see it...he's really good.
We are down 18... HURRY UP OFFENSE WTF
WTF was that?
Jones is like a rabbit caught in the headlights
Just wait until we play a good team :surrender:
Danny Checkdown
GO FOR IT
Pathetic.
Daboll hurry up offense dude ..
He cannot make easy throws
Our QB is a good running back.
We are a penalty machine.
AM I the only one who is getting so anxious ..Like idk if to be pissed or something
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 02:49:31 PMDaboll hurry up offense dude ..
The def is getting smoked...they need time to regroup.
That was a crap throw too
YTF are we throwing that when we have 20 yards for a first down... my god man
Can Nabers just throw it to himself?
Did Schoen book his flight tix to scout QBs yet? Oh wait, maybe Bill B should
No pocket presence this guy. Jeez
JONES WTF... IM NOT DEFENDING YOU ANYMORE...PISSING ME TF OFF
I have good news, this team will have the #1 pick in 2025 and we could have a franchise QB.
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 02:51:30 PMNo pocket presence this guy. Jeez
zero...and it's been that way for multiple years.
Did Wandales knees hit the ground ?
Got it back to a 2 score game. Got them right where we want them
This defense needs a three and out badly....
I'm going out on a limb here.....their pass rush has the measure of our improved O-line.
Quote from: MagicRat on September 08, 2024, 02:43:13 PMWhere do we ho from here?
Clean house again?
Or give this GM/coach combo a go around with their own QB?
What do you mean? Jones IS their QB! Who do you think gave him that huge contract?
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Quote from: uconnjack8 on September 08, 2024, 02:53:32 PMGot it back to a 2 score game. Got them right where we want them
LOL...meanwhile, our QB has less than 100 yards throwing.
The comeback begins.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on September 08, 2024, 02:18:32 PMWho is that sack on?
On 2nd and 19
That's on jones failure presnap read failure
Quote from: umassgrad on September 08, 2024, 02:52:14 PMI have good news, this team will have the #1 pick in 2025 and we could have a franchise QB.
The Panthers disagree. We'll manage to win two or three meaningless games late enough to miss the best quarterback in the draft. It's the Giants way.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 02:43:09 PMWe knew it would take the Defense time to get up to speed, but with this Offense, it's like Deja vu all over again
Definitely thought we might see some guys running wide open in a scheme that is now heavy zone vs man.
I can remember Eli stepping up in the pocket and delivering the ball. Jones? Eyes seemingly drop and if a scramble isn't there, curl up and take a sack.
Quote from: babywhales on September 08, 2024, 02:54:33 PMOn 2nd and 19
That's on jones failure presnap read failure
Jones didn't adjust his protection to account for that extra man.
I don't understand this new kickoff format. Seems same as last year, still nobody runs it back
Steps up in the pocket to the pressure for sacks, misses wide open receivers, fails to see the unblocked defender and fails to move the protection or hit the hot read... this is bad. In top of it, penalties up the ass, dropped passes and coverage issues. Can't make this xxxx up. Two years in a row.
I don't think Jones really came back from his injuries. I think he's a diminished player, not even what he was a couple of years ago.
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Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 02:56:29 PMI don't understand this new kickoff format. Seems same as last year, still nobody runs it back
Kick team start on the other team's 40 instead of their own 35 but they can't move until the ball hits the ground.
Quote from: madbadger on September 08, 2024, 02:55:38 PMJones didn't adjust his protection to account for that extra man.
Or, at the very least, understand that guy is free and call a hot read
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 02:57:16 PMSteps up in the pocket to the pressure for sacks, misses wide open receivers, fails to see the unblocked defender and fails to move the protection or hit the hot read... this is bad. In top of it, penalties up the ass, dropped passes and coverage issues. Can't make this xxxx up. Two years in a row.
And looks scared
Need a stop here.
Why did Burns backtrack ? Thats what I hate about Zone defense... that makes no sense to me
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 02:58:20 PMKick team start on the other team's 40 instead of their own 35 but they can't move until the ball hits the ground.
Seems like the intent isn't having the desired effect yet
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 02:57:16 PMSteps up in the pocket to the pressure for sacks, misses wide open receivers, fails to see the unblocked defender and fails to move the protection or hit the hot read... this is bad. In top of it, penalties up the ass, dropped passes and coverage issues. Can't make this xxxx up. Two years in a row.
At least we're not paying Saquon <:-P
Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 08, 2024, 02:57:42 PMI don't think Jones really came back from his injuries. I think he's a diminished player, not even what he was a couple of years ago.
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huh? He was bad before his injuries. The man has been a bottom 5 passer for 5 years; fans just put all the blame on the OCs and/or HCs. Even in 2022, his passing production was bottom 5, which he masked with running. He's just not very good...
Heard so much about Burns. Would like to see him actually make a play.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 08, 2024, 02:57:42 PMI don't think Jones really came back from his injuries. I think he's a diminished player, not even what he was a couple of years ago.
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That will certainly be some of the attempted damage control PR campaign this week even though all reports from insiders have stated he is completely healed and that his play should not be impacted by any physical remnants of the injury and that if anything it would be psychological.
But I'm sure people will run with that nonetheless. I'm also expecting to hear a lot about the play calling too even though he was missing wide open guys in the middle of the field by a good 3-5 feet.
Is it me or has Dex returning spooked their front a little?
Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 08, 2024, 02:57:42 PMI don't think Jones really came back from his injuries. I think he's a diminished player, not even what he was a couple of years ago.
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Hate to say it but I agree.
Also, if this is Daboll's play-calling, I like Kafka's better so Daboll needs to fire himself, rehire Kafka as the OC, and problem solved, right! Right? Hello, anybody hear me?
Yeah, not a good idea, is it?
A TD before the 4th Quarter would be appreciated
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:00:53 PMThat will certainly be some of the attempted damage control PR campaign this week even though all reports from insiders have stated he is completely healed and that his play should not be impacted by any physical remnants of the injury and that if anything it would be psychological.
But I'm sure people will run with that nonetheless. I'm also expecting to hear a lot about the play calling too even though he was missing wide open guys in the middle of the field by a good 3-5 feet.
Play calling tightened up in response to Jones being wildly inaccurate. There's a reason a former COTY isn't trusting him with more. Now doing so out of necessity.
I don't think Jones was very good even at his best but he's worse now than he was in 2022. I just don't think he's recovered from those injuries. Just my opinion fellas.
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Pinnock that was a great play
Also the fan base should get ready to be scolded and lectured by Papa and Banks for not being more patient with their $40mm/yr QB in year six of his career.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 03:00:18 PMhuh? He was bad before his injuries. The man has been a bottom 5 passer for 5 years; fans just put all the blame on the OCs and/or HCs. Even in 2022, his passing production was bottom 5, which he masked with running. He's just not very good...
Matt - when I saw that post, I knew 100% it would be in your gunsights. Well done
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:03:53 PMAlso the fan base should get ready to be scolded and lectured by Papa and Banks for not being more patient with their $40mm/yr QB in year six of his career.
Maybe another headline about how Jones didn't collapse? Those are the positives we're told to happily eat up by company men.
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 02:57:16 PMSteps up in the pocket to the pressure for sacks, misses wide open receivers, fails to see the unblocked defender and fails to move the protection or hit the hot read... this is bad. In top of it, penalties up the ass, dropped passes and coverage issues. Can't make this xxxx up. Two years in a row.
Nothing ever comes easy for D Jones. Every play is a struggle, painful to watch.
Good lord.
Need to bring in Devito.
Wow.
So much for the comeback.
Quote from: Philosophers on September 08, 2024, 03:04:26 PMMatt - when I saw that post, I knew 100% it would be in your gunsights. Well done
LOL...thanks, brother. I'm not saying he's a terrible QB, he's never been even an above average passer. There is some good news though, Nabers looks the part. I'm excited about him.
For everyone's health we should shut down this site for the day.
Bench Jones
That'll be that then.
If only Jones could throw TD passes that accurately to guys on his own team..
He just can't see him.
A sixth year guy, not seeing that?
Boy oh boy does he suck or what!
Those who were saying it for years were 100% correct and those who argued were 100% wrong.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:03:20 PMA TD before the 4th Quarter would be appreciated
Agreed, but not by the other team!!!
Is it bad that I knew exactly what play they were going to run before the snap there?
Tough to have good peripheral vision when you're cross eyed.
If you are Daniel Jones at this point how do you not ask to be benched. How do you come back from that today?
Being a Giants fan is like being in a long, bad marriage!
How much more do we have to take? This is beyond putrid!
That play call is 1000000% on Daboll.
He has been an utter disaster going on 2 years.
This is hard to watch
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Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:06:04 PMGood lord.
Need to bring in Devito.
You just dont understand, Jeff. DJ just doesn't have the support to be successful. /sarcasm/
At least for today, enough of this! Let's see if another QB can inject some life into this offense.
Put Devito in .... and im what you would call a Jones Defender
I dunno, if it wasn't so f-ing devastating it'd be funny.
Daboll's doing Jones a favour if he benches him.
It's cruel leaving him out there.
Quote from: JT39 on September 08, 2024, 03:08:29 PMThat play call is 1000000% on Daboll.
He has been an utter disaster going on 2 years.
Absolutely, let's get DJ his 4th HC in 6 years. I think there's a term for DJ...coach killer....
Just run the ball. :surrender:
Please if you bench Jones do not bring in Lock
All we can really do is hope young players get better this season and scout young qbs on Saturday.
I don't need to hear how Jones is actually smart. He lacks football awareness and processing. He stares down receivers then panicks. He has not grown at all during his time. The league has figured him out. He's a joke to other teams—they openly mock him—and rightfully so.
The fans are leaving the stadium. It's getting ugly. It's not just Jones, but Daboll might want to sit him.
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Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 03:07:46 PMTough to have good peripheral vision when you're cross eyed.
:laugh:
I think he felt that burn from the bench.
I thought Devito is only the 3rd string guy?
I can't believe they are running Jones out there again. Make it fucking stop already
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 03:10:26 PMI thought Devito is only the 3rd string guy?
Lock is hurt.
DeVito is the emergency QB.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 03:09:36 PMAbsolutely, let's get DJ his 4th HC in 6 years. I think there's a term for DJ...coach killer....
It's not about Jones anymore. He's done.
Daboll is not a good coach- we have to realize this.
Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 08, 2024, 03:10:05 PMThe fans are leaving the stadium. It's getting ugly. It's not just Jones, but Daboll might want to sit him.
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He's not, but he IS our biggest problem, by a long shot. I agree...bench him for this week.
He knows the offense better
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 03:10:26 PMI thought Devito is only the 3rd string guy?
He knows the offense better than lock.
Will this mess exceed 0-40?
Starting to look like it might.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:11:06 PMLock is hurt.
Tommy is on the inactive list. He's emergency
Again with the checkdowns!...he needs to be benched
Just go for
Giants will look forward to a friendlier environment in Washington next week.
go for it !! COWARDS
What the actual F was that??????)
Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 08, 2024, 03:10:05 PMThe fans are leaving the stadium. It's getting ugly. It's not just Jones, but Daboll might want to sit him.
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They did get a very nice gift package with SB Rings. There is that.
He had time on that third down play and still tried to force it to someone who wasn't open and wasn't beyond the sticks
Quote from: JT39 on September 08, 2024, 03:11:24 PMIt's not about Jones anymore. He's done.
Daboll is not a good coach- we have to realize this.
He's the exact same coach he's been for two decades, and something I've spoken about numerous times on this board. With a below average QB, he produces terrible offenses, with a quality QB, he's highly effective. However, that's standard for all OCs/HCs.
Again, this is the Vikings and we are playing them in our house. Wait to we go on the road to Philly. 60-0 is not out of the question.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:11:06 PMLock is hurt.
I was under the impression Devito is the emergency QB inactive today?
Quote from: katkavage on September 08, 2024, 03:13:17 PMGiants will look forward to a friendlier environment in Washington next week.
=))
From the uniforms to the same old bad play. On both sides of ball...this has been a nightmare of a game.
Mara can't be happy. Especially with the way Barkley played the other night
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Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 03:14:45 PMFrom the uniforms to the same old bad play. On both sides of ball...this has been a nightmare of a game.
Mara can't be happy. Especially with the way Barkley played the other night
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I think this team is at 2.6 ypc today.
Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 02:58:58 PMOr, at the very least, understand that guy is free and call a hot read
That right there
I would not play Jones next week. I know they will but they really shouldn't. Blame it on his health to save face and not humiliate him if you must, but they can't do this again. It's outrageous. With DeVito you can at least have a low error game manager who can complete passes and give the D a shot to win the game. Jones cannot complete routine, easy passes to open guys 10 yards away with adequate, routine NFL level protection.
People will say "it is just week one", but that is kind of my point. How about not letting this snowball to 1-5, only then to concede that it's not working? How about trying something different BEFORE the snowball process ensues like it does just about every year for the last decade?
How are the optimists feeling now? Reality sucks. This was a xxxx show as evidenced by Hard Knocks, which actually made me laugh at how sorry the Giants management, scouts and ownership truly are. No vision, no pursuit of an identity. Just wow. :surrender: :boooo:
Quote from: Ed Vette on September 08, 2024, 03:14:33 PM=))
They can't beat Washington now they have a QB
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Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 03:14:45 PMFrom the uniforms to the same old bad play. On both sides of ball...this has been a nightmare of a game.
Mara can't be happy. Especially with the way Barkley played the other night
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This is Mara's golden boy laid bare in game 1. He deserves to see this and be embarrassed. His inability to be objective about an entirely flawed player at the most important position in sports because he looks and sounds the part (the least important parts of the equation) should consume him.
Not going for it was a coward move ... we are down 22 you idiot
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:16:45 PMI would not play Jones next week. I know they will but they really shouldn't. Blame it on his health to save face and not humiliate him if you must, but they can't do this again. It's outrageous. With DeVito you can at least have a low error game manager who can complete passes and give the D a shot to win the game. Jones cannot complete routine, easy passes to open guys 10 yards away with adequate, routine NFL level protection.
People will say "it is just week one", but that is kind of my point. How about not letting this snowball to 1-5, only then to concede that it's not working? How about trying something different BEFORE the snowball process ensues like it does just about every year for the last decade?
I hear you, Jeff; however, I think we're going to have to go another week of this. If the Commanders/Daniels outplay the Giants/DJ, I believe they will make a change. In other news, I one true AP is having a great game.
HURRY UP OFFENSE
Jones stinks, has always stunk, and will stink into the future. I really don't know how people can defend sorry, fundamentally unsound decision making, and execution year after year. I am sure the excuses will be creative.
Awesome that they got a interception there, but it's hard to be excited. They won't do anything with it. I hope I'm wrong.
Does Daboll even give a sh** ? we are down 22 and we are moving like turtles
Quote from: bobalobabingbong on September 08, 2024, 03:19:38 PMAwesome that they got a interception there, but it's hard to be excited. They won't do anything with it. I hope I'm wrong.
Hey, they can get a FG :).
Are we even capable of throwing the ball more than 10 yards downfield? We have three burners in Nabers, Hyatt and Slayton yet can't come up with even one deep shot
We really did NOT TRY to score before the quarter ended ??
Daboll wtf are you even doing ?
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 03:18:05 PMThis is Mara's golden boy laid bare in game 1. He deserves to see this and be embarrassed. His inability to be objective about an entirely flawed player at the most important position in sports because he looks and sounds the part (the least important parts of the equation) should consume him.
Not sure it's Mara's. Shoen and Daboll are Jines guys
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Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 08, 2024, 03:21:41 PMAre we even capable of throwing the ball more than 10 yards downfield? We have three burners in Nabers, Hyatt and Slayton yet can't come up with even one deep shot
It's Kafka, I mean Daball's fault. =))
Quote from: JT39 on September 08, 2024, 03:08:29 PMThat play call is 1000000% on Daboll.
He has been an utter disaster going on 2 years.
What playbook exist for a qb as bad as jones
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:20:17 PMDoes Daboll even give a sh** ? we are down 22 and we are moving like turtles
He's turned into Joe Judge.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on September 08, 2024, 03:09:54 PMAll we can really do is hope young players get better this season and scout young qbs on Saturday.
Exactly what any reasonable Giants fan would have been saying one year ago from today, but I agree.
Does Jones ever throw in rhythm?
Jones with the happy feet.....
Quote from: bobalobabingbong on September 08, 2024, 03:23:26 PMYay?
;)
I've got the over here...I figured Minn would do well against our overrated Def; however, I thought the Giants could at least get 13 against a bad Minn Def.
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 03:21:58 PMNot sure it's Mara's. Shoen and Daboll are Jines guys
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When Daboll is calling him out for leaving plays on the field last year and Schoen tried to trade up for a QB, you think they're Jones guys? It was Mara who during Jones FA said the Giants did everything to screw him up... then he gets a huge deal. Occam's razor is instructive here.
Daboll play calling is suspect
The slow pace is really baffling
Another awful throw
Quote from: sooners56 on September 08, 2024, 03:25:20 PMDaboll play calling is suspect
Just called a perfect speed-out, and DJ throws it 4 yards over his head.
Another wild miss.
Wow.
Put in Lock
LOL...DJ just being DJ...
PLEASE PLAY DEVITO
Time for Jones to sit. Threw into triple coverage
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I've been an active, dedicated Giants fan since the early 80s. This is absolutely, without a doubt, among the worst play I have seen at the QB position for this team at any time in my life. And it's not like we haven't had some bad ones before. We've just never paid the really bad ones $40mm a year.
He is almost literally incapable of doing anything other than his first read.
That is such a bad decision t throw it there. He had time, he just really sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!! :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: :surrender:
How much longer?
Seriously?
I forgot to wear my lucky socks!
It on me, my bad.😞
Jones is a complete embarrassment and should not start another game in the NFL.
Danny Dimebag strikes again.
Im all for sitting Jones.... but not for Lock
Fun meters pegged, folks. See ya next week on the game thread! As always, it's been a blast!
Peace!
Missed robinson on the outside
Throws the pick on next play into triple coverage
Atleast he through a TD today
Maybe next week it could be for our team
After one game do you begin the tank???
Staring down his recievers that's what you get.
Some may tell me it doesn't matter or it's overrated but this guy does it ALL the time and the league has the book on him.
He will be nothing more than a backup - a good one at that.
If Nabers is what people say he is, you're gonna burn valuable rookie years with Jones at QB.
Honestly, how many more games will it take before people realise he wasn't worth the contract after the playoffs and certainly isn't worth it today.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:27:16 PMI've been an active, dedicated Giants fan since the early 80s. This is absolutely, without a doubt, among the worst play I have seen at the QB position for this team at any time in my life. And it's not like we haven't had some bad ones before.
Almost like a 0 star HS recruit who went to Duke drafted by a GM who was run out of the league shouldn't get 6 seasons to prove he's an average QB.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:27:16 PMI've been an active, dedicated Giants fan since the early 80s. This is absolutely, without a doubt, among the worst play I have seen at the QB position for this team at any time in my life. And it's not like we haven't had some bad ones before.
I've been watching since the 70's Joe P was a much better QB than D Jones.
Clean house
Clean house
Clean house
Do it now. Who cares if you lose every game.
Get rid of anyone who made a personnel decision in the last decade
The fans need to start Devito chants so we don't see Lock
I want to see what he can do with the first string
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 03:28:48 PMAlmost like a 0 star HS recruit who went to Duke drafted by a GM who was run out of the league shouldn't get 6 seasons to prove he's an average QB.
He's not average. D Jones should not be on an NFL roster.
this is as bad, if not worse, to last years start. But that was against a better Cowboy team. Vikings are mediocre.
Quote from: katkavage on September 08, 2024, 03:28:31 PMAfter one game do you begin the tank???
It's been 6 years
Quote from: umassgrad on September 08, 2024, 03:30:06 PMHe's not average. D Jones should not be on an NFL roster.
I said prove he's average for a reason...
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on September 08, 2024, 03:28:41 PMIf Nabers is what people say he is, you're gonna burn valuable rookie years with Jones at QB.
Honestly, how many more games will it take before people realise he wasn't worth the contract after the playoffs and certainly isn't worth it today.
You don't take a WR that high without a top QB on your roster.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 03:19:09 PMI hear you, Jeff; however, I think we're going to have to go another week of this. If the Commanders/Daniels outplay the Giants/DJ, I believe they will make a change. In other news, I one true AP is having a great game.
If we lose to the Commanders, I think the bottom falls out and the Panthers might be the only win we get.
And then we still won't have the #1 pick because the Panthers will go 0-17.
Rinse lather repeat
Quote from: JT39 on September 08, 2024, 03:28:55 PMClean house
Clean house
Clean house
Do it now. Who cares if you lose every game.
Get rid of anyone who made a personnel decision in the last decade
This HAS to mean the Maras (and Tim McDonnell). John Mara is part of the reason Jones was resigned in the first place.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:29:21 PMThe fans need to start Devito chants so we don't see Lock
I want to see what he can do with the first string
Agreed. Especially since the oline has been ok
Isn't Ryan Tannehill still out there? Carson Wentz?
I know you're not contending with either of these guys but unless they have injuries I don't know about they'd instantly be the best QB on our roster. Are we really going to just mindlessly piss away another season with this guy?
Jones had decent protection on most of his snaps. Played poorly. No pressure on that last interception. He does not read defenses or has good field vision.
#1 Receiver - check
Solid protection - check
No more excuses - check
Quote from: AYM on September 08, 2024, 03:31:50 PMIf we lose to the Commanders, I think the bottom falls out and the Panthers might be the only win we get.
And then we still won't have the #1 pick because the Panthers will go 0-17.
We don't need #1...a top 5 should do.
So Devito isnt dressed ?
The funny thing is the Vikings play calls look like the Giants play calling except, they are up 28-6 !!!
Not that I blame Garrett / Daboll. We are seeing why you do not let it loose with D Jones. The guy cannot secure the football.
Gotta laugh at all the people calling for going back to Shurmur days. If you like leading the league in turnovers and winning 3 games .... oo yeah.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:33:02 PMJones had decent protection on most of his snaps. Played poorly. No pressure on that last interception. He does not read defenses or has good field vision.
#1 Receiver - check
Solid protection - check
No more excuses - check
My concern also is he doesn't seem to be a thinker. Watch Eli clips just prior to snap and then watch this guy.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:33:02 PMJones had decent protection on most of his snaps. Played poorly. No pressure on that last interception. He does not read defenses or has good field vision.
#1 Receiver - check
Solid protection - check
No more excuses - check
Oh, you know more will appear. It never ends.
Jones j
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:33:02 PMJones had decent protection on most of his snaps. Played poorly. No pressure on that last interception. He does not read defenses or has good field vision.
#1 Receiver - check
Solid protection - check
No more excuses - check
Jones just decided where he was going with the ball before the snap. He threw into triple coverage
Does anyone else think Dabaoll doesnt goive a sh** he's normally very animated .... I feel like he has no emotion right now ... and playing the game for it to just end
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:33:02 PMJones had decent protection on most of his snaps. Played poorly. No pressure on that last interception. He does not read defenses or has good field vision.
#1 Receiver - check
Solid protection - check
No more excuses - check
The excuses this week will be he needs more game action, as a result of missing most of last year. I would view that as a reasonable explanation for today's performance, IF DJ didn't have 60 games of mediocre QB play, at least as it relates to passing production.
Quote from: katkavage on September 08, 2024, 03:31:32 PMYou don't take a WR that high without a top QB on your roster.
And yet we did.
Quote from: kingm56 on September 08, 2024, 03:35:43 PMThe excuses this week will be he needs more game action, as a result of missing most of last year. I would view that as a reasonable explanation for today's performance, IF DJ didn't have 60 games of mediocre QB play, at least as it relates to passing production.
This is the exact same type of play we saw BEFORE the injury.
No pressure, throws off his backfoot, to go behind and high on Hyatt. He's just not a quality NFL passer.
There is no other good QB on this team . This team was designed for Jones to have no pressure on his job. Lock and Devito both stink as starting level QBs.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:35:31 PMDoes anyone else think Dabaoll doesnt goive a sh** he's normally very animated .... I feel like he has no emotion right now ... and playing the game for it to just end
He's in "I told you we needed to get rid of him" mode.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:35:31 PMDoes anyone else think Dabaoll doesnt goive a sh** he's normally very animated .... I feel like he has no emotion right now ... and playing the game for it to just end
He's had to calm down.
Apparently the in your face stuff was too much for some to bare.
I dunno, Jones.........I dunno what the guy does in practice, I dunno what his potential was coming out from school, he has the physical tools, certainly, but whether we've "David Carr-ed" him or whether he never had it, who knows?
This early, I'm saying this is definitely his last season, that's a given, but where do we go beyond that?
Schoen and Daboll.....I'm really unsure.
Is Mara going to clean house again?
Has Mara given them a 4-13 pass to get ourselves a QB next time out?
That's two years in a row we've showed up clearly undercooked, seriously, completely and totally underprepared.
We look further away than ever from relevance, after what I thought was some decent off-season business.
It's soul destroying.
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:37:54 PMHe's in "I told you we needed to get rid of him" mode.
He is quick to wave the white flag of surrender I noticed. I think he thinks it would be demoralizing and Jones incapable of big comebacks without throwing a bunch of picks. And he is exactly right.
Why are we dumping it off the SIngleterry there ? Daboll do you not see the score and time ?
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:33:02 PMJones had decent protection on most of his snaps. Played poorly. No pressure on that last interception. He does not read defenses or has good field vision.
#1 Receiver - check
Solid protection - check
No more excuses - check
Can not read line of scrimmage pre snap
Can not read defense post snap
Tricked way too easily
Horrible
Just horrible
Good garbage time TD coming up
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:39:39 PMWhy are we dumping it off the SIngleterry there ? Daboll do you not see the score and time ?
So we can pad the efficiency stat numbers and artificially make this calamity look a tiny bit less bad than it was.
No other reason.
4th quarter yardage is going to make the offense look better on paper. Absolute no show until Vikings D slowed it down.
Again, that playoff win was the worst thing to happen to this current regime.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:39:39 PMWhy are we dumping it off the SIngleterry there ? Daboll do you not see the score and time ?
It probably has something to do with the inability of his QB to throw the ball beyond 10 yards. We're not winning this game...let DJ throw short passes to increase his confidence, vice forcing another throw for his third pick. DJ's not Eli, he appears to have a very fragile psyche.
Quote from: Fletch on September 08, 2024, 03:37:49 PMThere is no other good QB on this team . This team was designed for Jones to have no pressure on his job. Lock and Devito both stink as starting level QBs.
Designed to succeed with jones or have a high enough draft pick they can obtain his replacement
We punted on 4th and 3 down 28-6 in the third quarter. Winning has not been the objective since halftime. This is about trying to put lipstick on a pig now.
Quote from: AYM on September 08, 2024, 03:31:50 PMIf we lose to the Commanders, I think the bottom falls out and the Panthers might be the only win we get.
And then we still won't have the #1 pick because the Panthers will go 0-17.
Don't sleep on the Bears.
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If you don't have a qb you really don't have anything as the league is currently constructed.
I'd take Kyler Murray or Derek Carr right now in a heartbeat.
Quote from: MagicRat on September 08, 2024, 03:38:35 PMI dunno, Jones.........I dunno what the guy does in practice, I dunno what his potential was coming out from school, he has the physical tools, certainly, but whether we've "David Carr-ed" him or whether he never had it, who knows?
This early, I'm saying this is definitely his last season, that's a given, but where do we go beyond that?
Schoen and Daboll.....I'm really unsure.
Is Mara going to clean house again?
Has Mara given them a 4-13 pass to get ourselves a QB next time out?
That's two years in a row we've showed up clearly undercooked, seriously, completely and totally underprepared.
We look further away than ever from relevance, after what I thought was some decent off-season business.
It's soul destroying.
His physical tools are nothing special. Slightly above average arm strength, good straight line runner but not elusive. Not nearly as accurate as people wanted to pretend, can't throw with touch (everything is a fastball), and doesn't come close to having it upstairs. At best, an average QB, but in most scenarios.. this.
Quote from: babywhales on September 08, 2024, 03:42:05 PMDesigned to succeed with jones or have a high enough draft pick they can obtain his replacement
Exactly! I think they were 90% sure of the latter.
DJ stat padding time and we still can't score a TD Redfaced
Brian Flores is showing up Brian Daboll. Isn't that lawsuit still active, btw?
Brian Flores is really enjoying his revenge here.
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Giants o line still sucks. Getting beat by 4 man rush every time. Flores pay back to Mara
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even in Garbage time, DJ is garbage. Did you notice Slayton WIDE OPEN, on the 4th down play?
Keep staring them down Daniel. It'll work for you soon enough.
In the CFL.
At this point ... im all for giving Jones the 2 game Eli treatment .....
But it has to be Devito
I hate the fact that I already feel like the season is over after week 1
Final comment from me, our D sucks as well and I'm not impressed with the new D coordinator.
Why not throw it to the end zone?
Embarrassing defeat at home again .
Daboll has to beat on hot seat.....
Belichick watch is on!
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Quote from: BlueMoshik on September 08, 2024, 03:43:01 PMDon't sleep on the Bears.
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Bears just took the lead on a defensive TD. Already had a STs TD
Malik already running routes like he has checked out the game
For the record, I wanted the Giants to hire Flores in 2022. He was a local guy who was a winning head coach in the NFL. Instead they choose the genius QB coach who made Josh Allen what he is today. And no head coaching experience. How you like that decision now?
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 03:45:01 PMGiants o line still sucks. Getting beat by 4 man rush every time. Flores pay back to Mara
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Jones is running to the pressure. He did that on a handful of plays.
Quote from: umassgrad on September 08, 2024, 03:46:05 PMFinal comment from me, our D sucks as well and I'm not impressed with the new D coordinator.
21 points is not terrible. And they have to play perfect because of the offense. Incredibly difficult task when 7 points is out of reach for the offense.
Quote from: uconnjack8 on September 08, 2024, 03:46:35 PMBears just took the lead on a defensive TD. Already had a STs TD
In retrospect hiring Schoen instead of Poles was a huge mistake.
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 03:45:54 PMAt this point ... im all for giving Jones the 2 game Eli treatment .....
But it has to be Devito
I hate the fact that I already feel like the season is over after week 1
What is the 2 game Eli treatment?
That worked a lot better in a losing season with a Davis Webb who never to that point played in an NFL game. It went all down hill when you played a 3rd team journeyman instead and lost to a bad Raiders team just the same.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 03:42:58 PMWe punted on 4th and 3 down 28-6 in the third quarter. Winning has not been the objective since halftime. This is about trying to put lipstick on a pig now.
If winning was the goal Lock would have started the 2nd half. This has to be Daboll making a point to whoever needs to see it that Jones is not good at this.
Question for Coach Daboll:
If you were afraid of injuries in preseason as the reason not to ply your starters, then why the ***k are your starters (especially Dex) in the game when the outcome is assured???...what's the difference?...if you tell me it's about being a pro then I'd ask, why aren't u in hurry up offense all day?
Quote from: Gmo11 on September 08, 2024, 03:49:30 PMIf winning was the goal Lock would have started the 2nd half. This has to be Daboll making a point to whoever needs to see it that Jones is not good at this.
Lock is still hurt.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 03:43:35 PMHis physical tools are nothing special. Slightly above average arm strength, good straight line runner but not elusive. Not nearly as accurate as people wanted to pretend, can't throw with touch (everything is a fastball), and doesn't come close to having it upstairs. At best, an average QB, but in most scenarios.. this.
I just meant his pure physical tools in the sense of being 6 5 and, nominally, fast.
As you say, the speed hasn't remotely transitioned to shiftiness.
If his arm is big he's never showed that.
My point was, basically, now he's done....whatever his one time upside was.
For all the hype. There is no improvement in any area of the game for Giants.
Qb sucks
O line sucks
Defense worse than last year
And coaching is not good.
Facts are facts and unless things turn around in next couple of weeks...
Mara has to shake things up sooner than later
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Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 03:49:55 PMQuestion for Coach Daboll:
If you were afraid of injuries in preseason as the reason not to ply your starters, then why the ***k are your starters (especially Dex) in the game when the outcome is assured???...what's the difference?...if you tell me it's about being a pro then I'd ask, why aren't u in hurry up offense all day?
"Because my QB can't run the offense at normal speed. Next question."
Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:50:22 PMLock is still hurt.
Then DeVito should've been the #2 in this game.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 03:51:09 PM"Because my QB can't run the offense at normal speed. Next question."
I wonder if we'll get lectured about how QBs (DJ) need support to be even average? I'm betting we get this week off...
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on September 08, 2024, 03:47:35 PM21 points is not terrible. And they have to play perfect because of the offense. Incredibly difficult task when 7 points is out of reach for the offense.
The offense gave up more points than they scored.
Defense has work to do but as you said 21 points is not awful. Burns 4 tackles, one for loss and one pressure is disappointing. The former #5 overall pick was completely invisible today aside from his penalties. Not even a tackle in the box score.
I wonder if this means no more stat comparison posts trying to show Jones has actually been on par with Eli? I really enjoyed those and the remarkable levels of delusion people have. This guy was never good, but the problems go all the way to the top.
This is going to be a paper bag covering fans faces season.
Quote from: AYM on September 08, 2024, 03:52:16 PMThen DeVito should've been the #2 in this game.
Lock could go if Jones was injured and couldn't play. They didn't want to use a roster spot for DeVito.
They getting demolished by a four man rush. Line still stinks
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Brian Dabol should be fired for not having a playbook. What a crappy coach. Three time to the end zone and not a decent timing play. This coach is over his head and totally unprepared.
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 03:55:14 PMThey getting demolished by a four man rush. Line still stinks
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Jones ran into that last sack!
Quote from: katkavage on September 08, 2024, 03:47:03 PMFor the record, I wanted the Giants to hire Flores in 2022. He was a local guy who was a winning head coach in the NFL. Instead they choose the genius QB coach who made Josh Allen what he is today. And no head coaching experience. How you like that decision now?
The next Giants head coach has to be a guy who has been a successful head coach. At some point we have to stop the bleeding. Hiring wunderkins has gotten us into this mess. Give me Vrable, Belichek or Carroll over the next latest and greatest future ex-head coach.
Or maybe the defender ran into Jones. Line stills stinks
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Quote from: T200 on September 08, 2024, 03:57:05 PMJones ran into that last sack!
Of course he did. In addition to being visually challenged he also lacks any ability to feel what's going on around him.
This crappy play falls on HC. Three years in and still not competitive?
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Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 03:58:38 PMOr maybe the defender ran into Jones. Line stills stinks
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Go back a watch the play with a stopwatch. He had four seconds of protection on that play. I'm not blaming the offensive line because he can't go through his progression and get rid of the ball in less than four seconds. Almost every other team has a quarterback who does that routinely.
Quote from: Fletch on September 08, 2024, 03:48:28 PMWhat is the 2 game Eli treatment?
That worked a lot better in a losing season with a Davis Webb who never to that point played in an NFL game. It went all down hill when you played a 3rd team journeyman instead and lost to a bad Raiders team just the same.
What are you talking about ? Im talking about when we started 0-2 and Shurmur benched Eli for Jones
Well, that sucked. Dex needs to stay on the field. Nabers and Dru Phillips had moments. Gano and Gillan were functional. Not much else positive to say.
Quote from: Woody on September 08, 2024, 04:00:17 PMThis crappy play falls on HC. Three years in and still not competitive?
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Defense played fine and actually set offense up for success early. Complete collapse of QB play made this game unwinnable.
Sorry for the F word but this gave me a chuckle on an otherwise miserable afternoon:
https://x.com/super70ssports/status/1832856117992468734?s=46
Quote from: killarich on September 08, 2024, 04:01:36 PMWhat are you talking about ? Im talking about when we started 0-2 and Shurmur benched Eli for Jones
I thought you were talking about Geno Smith. The difference is Eli didn't really play bad. And Eli played hard and they played to win. It almost seems to me like they still have the kids gloves treatment with Jones. This was still a ball game and they were still running the ball, bubble screens; no hurry , conservative play calls etc.
Jones still stinks. Let the excuses fly!
Let's not discount the improvement. They scored 6 more and gave up 12 less than the opener last year. But still, I have to decide whether I should take the Under on 6 1/2 before it goes any lower.
Cheers!
Really don't understand the criticism of the play calling. There was an overwhelmingly positive reception to Daboll calling plays this year.
Are we to think that both Kafka and Daboll are poor play callers because they "refuse" to throw it beyond 5 yards?
Neither of them came from conservative systems, so why wouldn't they throw further down field?
They both must have become super conservative for some reason, just can't quite put my finger on it.
if they get embarrassed by the Coms...its panic time, for sure, for the entire staff, brass. DJ was incredibly bad today ..but he wasn't sharp much in training camp, either. And he's way past his expiration date now. :surrender:
Daboll needs to take some blame here for not playing starters in preseason
Watched post game show and coach/player interviews.....
1. Dabble is toast every question had the same answer...I will have to watch the film. when that's all a coach can say after a game then he has lost control .
2.I am not a big fan of Thibs ...he thinks he is a lot better than he is ..his answers to questions were.... they did what we thought they would !!!!!!!! well if you knew what they were going to do why didn't you defend it better?
got upset with a reporter and wouldn't answer his questions.
3. Jones said what he always says...I have to play better and we have to watch the film ..
I know it was first game ...but they were not prepared to play, again ...
Giants have not won a home opener since 2010...
I'm so tired of hearing "we will watch the tape" and "will see what we can clean up"....and "we will learn from the tape"
This is all utter nonsense
Quote from: uconnjack8 on September 08, 2024, 03:53:05 PMThe offense gave up more points than they scored.
Defense has work to do but as you said 21 points is not awful. Burns 4 tackles, one for loss and one pressure is disappointing. The former #5 overall pick was completely invisible today aside from his penalties. Not even a tackle in the box score.
That's how the Bears won today. The offense (with new QB Caleb Williams 14/29 w/ 93 total yards' 0 TDs and a QB rating of 55.7) and the team as a whole mustered up 177 total offensive yards today, yet won the game thanks to the defense scoring 3 TDs...go figure :-??
As far as the Giants go, their defense can keep us in games, but man...they have to figure out an offense. We've got playmakers, but we have no ability to scheme a game to take advantage of them...conservative to a fault. Can't win if we rarely score
DJs biggest fault IMHO, is that he tries to do exactly what the coaches tell him to do...so much so, that he's lost when the called play just isn't there (so he runs, even though it's not enough for a first down). That is what makes Mahomes so dangerous...he's ready to improvise (and does) the very second he sees that the called play ain't there, so he just changes to backyard football - throw to whoever is open. DJ needs that mindset. He's trying so hard to please the coach and only do exactly what he's told to do, even if it's a crappy play call (which most of them are)
Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on September 08, 2024, 05:07:48 PMThat's how the Bears won today. The offense (with new QB Caleb Williams 14/29 w/ 93 total yards' 0 TDs and a QB rating of 55.7) and the team as a whole mustered up 177 total offensive yards today, yet won the game thanks to the defense scoring 3 TDs...go figure :-??
As far as the Giants go, their defense can keep us in games, but man...they have to figure out an offense. We've got playmakers, but we have no ability to scheme a game to take advantage of them...conservative to a fault. Can't win if we rarely score
DJs biggest fault IMHO, is that he tries to do exactly what the coaches tell him to do...so much so, that he's lost when the called play just isn't there (so he runs, even though it's not enough for a first down). That is what makes Mahomes so dangerous...he's ready to improvise (and does) the very second he sees that the called play ain't there, so he just changes to backyard football - throw to whoever is open. DJ needs that mindset. He's trying so hard to please the coach and only do exactly what he's told to do, even if it's a crappy play call (which most of them are)
Phili has playmakers (Brown, Smith, Hurts, and Barkley); Dal has playmakers (Dak and Lamb); the Giants playmakers are based on hope. Right now, the Giants lack a single certified playmaker. They have protentional, which is limited by poor QB play.
I continue to completely and fundamentally disagree with your assessments, as they relate to DJ; he's not being held back because he adheres to coaching. If anything, our coaches are limited by his inability to routinely complete passes beyond 7-yards, or make off-schedule plays. I suspect Kafka and Daboll would prefer to call the plays that made them successful in KC and BUF, but they can't. DJ biggest problem has always been, and continues to be, mental acuity. He lacks the processing speed required to be a plus NFL passer. After 5+ seasons, this isn't going to improve...
Quote from: Trench on September 08, 2024, 04:56:24 PMI'm so tired of hearing "we will watch the tape" and "will see what we can clean up"....and "we will learn from the tape"
This is all utter nonsense
They should be fined $100,000 every instance they say those things, and give it back to the season ticket holders at year's end as a refund and an apology for putting out an inferior entertainment service.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 08, 2024, 04:06:15 PMSorry for the F word but this gave me a chuckle on an otherwise miserable afternoon:
https://x.com/super70ssports/status/1832856117992468734?s=46
No sense of historical nostalgia! You take the lone good thing about today and drag it into the gutter by suggesting historical 1933 Giants fornicate with Wolverines!
I'm taking my Ray Flaherty piss-pot and am going home, so there!
Toodles!
Daboll cant afford another embarrassing loss next week. He has to rally this team somehow or this season and his coaching career with the Giants is going likely to be toast. Watch the tape, coach? No, burn it. I have serious doubts two years in a row of complete failure in your home opener. Its clear Jones has little grasp of how to improv or deliver the ball accurately or correctly. He's shot after the beating he has taken, injuries and his poor instincts have never been resolved. it's over.
Bobby said it moments ago...he would even put Lock (and he thinks little of him) in after this performance. ouch.
I continue to completely and fundamentally disagree with your assessments, as they relate to DJ; he's not being held back because he adheres to coaching. If anything, our coaches are limited by his inability to routinely complete passes beyond 7-yards, or make off-schedule plays. I suspect Kafka and Daboll would prefer to call the plays that made them successful in KC and BUF, but they can't. DJ biggest problem has always been, and continues to be, mental acuity. He lacks the processing speed required to be a plus NFL passer. After 5+ seasons, this isn't going to improve...
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This! Dabol(and Schoen) deserve to have their own QB running the show. Not this Gettleman error, exacerbated by Mara and his "we've done everything to screw him up" gifting him the contract, which was tempered by Schoen getting the two year out as a compromise. I believe that's how it went down. In the meantime Mara still has the cash register ringing while the fans are left wringing.