Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Fletch on September 24, 2024, 10:16:02 AMThat explains why he is never on the same page as his receivers. I think my Dad didn't like him because he seemed to whine too much to his receivers. I Don't think anyone actually compared total Stats. I also think it is weird to average them. It just seemed to me Eli had a much higher ceiling. Daniel Jones at like 220 yards and 2 TDs -- from what it seems to me is as good as it gets.





This seems to sum it up:

6 TD's - 1 (tied for 10th)
5 TDs - 1
4 TD"S - 12 (12th All Time)
3 TD"s - 49 (10th All  Time)
2 TD's - 44

Throwing 373 TD's in all
BTW Eli had 51 300 + yards games in his 236 starts, 21%

For all the smoke and mirrors, you couldn't have been more WRONG if you tried when you criticized @B1GBLUE for accurately comparing DJ's performance Sunday with Eli Manning (as DJ produced Eli Manning like per game stats)

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 24, 2024, 10:22:05 AMFor all the smoke and mirrors, you couldn't have been more WRONG if you tried when you criticized @B1GBLUE for accurately comparing DJ's performance Sunday with Eli Manning (as DJ produced Eli Manning like per game stats)

Ooo OK so you get to average out someone's stats over a career and, that is smoke and mirrors including garbage time; including getting stat padding after losing all the time?

OK why not say he had a very Mike Glennon game?

Glennon started 31 Games in his career. With a total of 7025 yards or 227 yards per game with 47 total TDs or 1.5 TDs a game.

Season    Age    Team    Lg    Pos    G    GS    QBrec    Cmp    Att    Cmp%    Yds    TD    TD%    Int
2013    24    TAM    NFL    QB    13    13    4/9/2000    247    416    59.4    2608    19    4.6    9
2014    25    TAM    NFL    QB    6    5    1/4/2000    117    203    57.6    1417    10    4.9    6
                                                       
2016    27    TAM    NFL    QB    2    0        10    11    90.9    75    1    9.1    0
2017    28    CHI    NFL    QB    4    4    1/3/2000    93    140    66.4    833    4    2.9    5
2018    29    ARI    NFL    QB    2    0        15    21    71.4    174    1    4.8    0
2019    30    OAK    NFL    QB    2    0        6    10    60    56    1    10    0
2020    31    JAX    NFL    QB    5    5    0-5-0    111    179    62    1072    7    3.9    5
2021    32    NYG    NFL    QB    6    4    0-4-0    90    167    53.9    790    4    2.4    10

Quote from: Fletch on September 24, 2024, 10:28:07 AMOoo OK so you get to average out someone's stats over a career and, that is smoke and mirrors including garbage time; including getting stat padding after losing all the time?

OK why not say he had a very Mike Glennon game?

Glennon started 31 Games in his career. With a total of 7025 yards or 227 yards per game with 47 total TDs or 1.5 TDs a game.

Season    Age    Team    Lg    Pos    G    GS    QBrec    Cmp    Att    Cmp%    Yds    TD    TD%    Int
2013    24    TAM    NFL    QB    13    13    4/9/2000    247    416    59.4    2608    19    4.6    9
2014    25    TAM    NFL    QB    6    5    1/4/2000    117    203    57.6    1417    10    4.9    6
                                                       
2016    27    TAM    NFL    QB    2    0        10    11    90.9    75    1    9.1    0
2017    28    CHI    NFL    QB    4    4    1/3/2000    93    140    66.4    833    4    2.9    5
2018    29    ARI    NFL    QB    2    0        15    21    71.4    174    1    4.8    0
2019    30    OAK    NFL    QB    2    0        6    10    60    56    1    10    0
2020    31    JAX    NFL    QB    5    5    0-5-0    111    179    62    1072    7    3.9    5
2021    32    NYG    NFL    QB    6    4    0-4-0    90    167    53.9    790    4    2.4    10

That doesn't negate the fact that you were wrong and refuse to acknowledge that fact.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 24, 2024, 10:11:24 AM@B1GBLUE said Sunday's game was very Eli Manning-like.  Based on the averages provided, DJ's 236 yards and 2 TDs were, in FACT, very Eli Manning-like despite the protests to the contrary.

True he did
He also said
Eli was rarely a 300 yard 2 td QB

I think it was clear what I was referencing.

Either way, I am very pleased with Jones play on Sunday. It was a long time coming.  An Int, poor passes in the 2nd half and some big missed 3rd down passes and I am still thrilled.

Jones has a break out game in the 2024 season, that is being celebrated by all Giants fans as his best game since the Cardinals last year and his 4th best game over the past 3 seasons and I am thrilled.

He made very good decisions in the first half, led receivers, made some nice presnap adjustments, found hot reads, etc ...he looked like an NFL QB. 


All that being said it is average for EL. 14 more games to develop his game.  Plenty developmental thresholds to cross to prove his is capable.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 24, 2024, 10:30:09 AMThat doesn't negate the fact that you were wrong and refuse to acknowledge that fact.

I am not wrong. That is how you are comparing it?

You would have to go back to week 7 in 2022 to have this kind of "Eli game" from Daniel Jones if the criteria is a win; 200 yards passing, and a TD. Otherwise, all of his wins are sub-200 yards. All of his 300+ yard games since 2022 have been losses with the exception of the Cardinals game.

So, you are Averaging Eli's entire 16-year career ; picking Jones best game statistically in years; exception being the Cardinals game and making that comparison? That is really fair

If you want to compare DJ 's performance to career Eli averages I'd suggest that you use his averages from 2013 to the end of his career.  As I expressed in the Eli HOF thread, Eli's career broke down into 2 different phases. 

Up to 2012 the Giants had a reasonably competent roster and he was a winning QB, winning 60 percent of his games.  From 2013 to the end of his career he won 40 percent of his games, as the team around him collapsed, characterized by finger pointing and scapegoating for front office incompetence.

I'd suggest that if you want to make a comparison maybe use the latter period,as that team is much more like the team to DJ has been surrounded by for his whole career.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on September 24, 2024, 11:00:03 AMI'd suggest that if you want to make a comparison maybe use the latter period,as that team is much more like the team to DJ has been surrounded by for his whole career.

But you don't really know that though, right? It was easy to say that Eli Manning was on a bad team. You saw what he could do on a decent roster.

Its amazing how people have spent years knocking Jones for having so many bad games, and when he actually has played pretty well to good the last two games - people still complain.

Sigh..

Quote from: JT39 on September 24, 2024, 11:21:30 AMIts amazing how people have spent years knocking Jones for having so many bad games, and when he actually has played pretty well to good the last two games - people still complain.

Sigh..

Nick Foles, back-up QB threw 300 + yards in a SB; which is something Mahomes has not even done.. Was SB MVP. Made a pro bowl. Had one of the craziest come backs I have ever seen when he was a Chicago Bear -- in a freaking snow blizzard-- his like 4th team or whatever. But he was a back-up never the less. No idea how someone who is in year 6 and still only looks at one receiver -- which happens to be a stud and gets open -- is considered a starting QB.

I dont really care about Nick Foles or the weather in Chicago.

I am happy that we had functional offenses over the last two weeks and am not really concerned about the past.

Targets last week:
Nabers 12
Wan'Dale 8

Oops...

Quote from: Fletch on September 24, 2024, 11:16:25 AMBut you don't really know that though, right? It was easy to say that Eli Manning was on a bad team. You saw what he could do on a decent roster.

I didn't say I did know that.  I didn't suggest that DJ would be Eli-esque with the phase 1 Eli roster.  I just said if you are going to make a comparison, make it apples to apples.  I didn't even compile Eli's numbers in phase 2 to make that comparison, because I don't see the value in this kind of comparison.  I don't get why any post that could be interpreted as even possibly positive, or even not negative, about DJ has to bring out a negative, almost vitriolic response from you.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on September 24, 2024, 11:46:06 AMI didn't say I did know that.  I didn't suggest that DJ would be Eli-esque with the phase 1 Eli roster.  I just said if you are going to make a comparison, make it apples to apples.  I didn't even compile Eli's numbers in phase 2 to make that comparison, because I don't see the value in this kind of comparison.  I don't get why any post that could be interpreted as even possibly positive, or even not negative, about DJ has to bring out a negative, almost vitriolic response from you.

Who did Eli Manning play with that was so great in Phase 1? His TE was Kevin Boss when they won a SB. He played with Ahmad Bradshaw and Branson Jacobs. Who I loved but , they were not exactly All-pros. They had one pro bowl player on the 2007 roster--Osi Umenyiora.

Just sick of ELi comparisons and being 7-win team I guess. When it is so obvious why they are going to remain a 7-win team.

Quote from: Fletch on September 24, 2024, 11:58:28 AMWho did Eli Manning play with that was so great in Phase 1? His TE was Kevin Boss when they won a SB. He played with Ahmad Bradshaw and Branson Jacobs. Who I loved but , they were not exactly All-pros. They had one pro bowl player on the 2007 roster--Osi Umenyiora.

Just sick of ELi comparisons and being 7-win team I guess. When it is so obvious why they are going to remain a 7-win team.

Proved my point, thanks.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on September 24, 2024, 12:00:33 PMProved my point, thanks.

Yep. You are spot on.

This isnt about Eli by the way.