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Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2025, 08:48:41 AMMay I ask, If I were the Vikings, why wouldn't they just franchise tag Darnold for 1 year to see if he could do it again?

I mean, if they do that and if he begins to struggle at any point during the year, it would then be the perfect time to start JJ McCarthy.

Plus it would give McCarthy the time to fully recuperate.

It's an option, but while it's only a one year commitment, it's a pretty big commitment at approximately $42mm, all of which hits your cap in 2025. I think they'd have to envision a strong chance that he'd play all or at least most of the season in order for that to make sense. That does not appear to be their mindset. They seemed committed to moving forward with JJ.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 24, 2025, 02:01:03 PMIt's an option, but while it's only a one year commitment, it's a pretty big commitment at approximately $42mm, all of which hits your cap in 2025. I think they'd have to envision a strong chance that he'd play all or at least most of the season in order for that to make sense. That does not appear to be their mindset. They seemed committed to moving forward with JJ.

Fair enough Dave, it's just that McCarthy at this point is an unknown, and can flop or be a bust.

This is just my opinion, but I'd use the franchise tag on Darnold, let him play and see what happens.

The worst thing that could happen to the Vikings is to let Darnold go, he begins to have another big year somewhere else, while they start McCarthy and he struggles.

I think the Viking fans base would be livid if McCarthy struggles and Darnold shines somewhere else. They would have let a potential franchise QB walk for nothing in the prime of his career.

But this is just one guys opinion hahaha

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2025, 03:45:48 PMFair enough Dave, it's just that McCarthy at this point is an unknown, and can flop or be a bust.

This is just my opinion, but I'd use the franchise tag on Darnold, let him play and see what happens.

The worst thing that could happen to the Vikings is to let Darnold go, he begins to have another big year somewhere else, while they start McCarthy and he struggles.

I think the Viking fans base would be livid if McCarthy struggles and Darnold shines somewhere else. They would have let a potential franchise QB walk for nothing in the prime of his career.

But this is just one guys opinion hahaha

SXD,

I don't strongly disagree with any of your points, and I do think tagging Darnold is AN option. I don't view it as a no-brainer though. I haven't really looked at the rest of the Vikes' cap situation. Would you tag Darnold if it meant having to lose a talented 27 year old player at another position to free agency? Or not signing a high quality free agent that they otherwise would have been able to?

Also, if you tag Darnold, does that mean you're not planning on playing JJ this year unless Darnold stinks?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 24, 2025, 04:12:50 PMSXD,

I don't strongly disagree with any of your points, and I do think tagging Darnold is AN option. I don't view it as a no-brainer though. I haven't really looked at the rest of the Vikes' cap situation. Would you tag Darnold if it meant having to lose a talented 27 year old player at another position to free agency? Or not signing a high quality free agent that they otherwise would have been able to?

Also, if you tag Darnold, does that mean you're not planning on playing JJ this year unless Darnold stinks?

They'll have 70 mil in cap when it's all said and done. I still wouldn't tag or sign Darnold. The whole point of signing a 1st rd qb is to have them on a cost controlled contract and hopefully win now. You can't do that with a 1 year wonder taking up 50 million a year, because it's absurd to think Darnold will only get 31 mil when Jones got 43 million.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 24, 2025, 04:12:50 PMSXD,

I don't strongly disagree with any of your points, and I do think tagging Darnold is AN option. I don't view it as a no-brainer though. I haven't really looked at the rest of the Vikes' cap situation. Would you tag Darnold if it meant having to lose a talented 27 year old player at another position to free agency? Or not signing a high quality free agent that they otherwise would have been able to?

Also, if you tag Darnold, does that mean you're not planning on playing JJ this year unless Darnold stinks?

Hi Dave,

Those are all good points.

First, I'd have to watch all of Darnold's games this year to see how he really played.

If he was excellent then yes I'd be willing to lose a talented player at another position because QB is the most important position in all of football, and very difficult to find.

As far as McCarthy goes, I'm not sure. Even if Darnold was playing well, I'd still throw McCarthy in there from time to time to see what we have in him.

I think that's a good problem for the Vikings to have hahahah. I wish that was the Giants problem 😕 😪 🙄

Right now, Darnold's future is the Vikings decision to make and no one else. If they view his, shall we say, extraordinary 14-1 start to the now past season as indicative of championship potential, would we not expect them to offer him a big buck, multi-year deal? If so, McCarthy goes on the market and Daniel Jones will become their QB2. Ne c'est pas?

If, however, Darnold's feckless last 2 game performance at crunch time has altered the Vikings view, would we then expect Mara/Schoen/Daboll to apply a different risk-reward calculus in the matter?

In any event, I will be very surprised if Darnold becomes a part of any Giants 2025 QB1 scenario.

Cheers!

 

Quote from: sxdxca38 on January 24, 2025, 04:59:17 PMHi Dave,

Those are all good points.

First, I'd have to watch all of Darnold's games this year to see how he really played.

If he was excellent then yes I'd be willing to lose a talented player at another position because QB is the most important position in all of football, and very difficult to find.

As far as McCarthy goes, I'm not sure. Even if Darnold was playing well, I'd still throw McCarthy in there from time to time to see what we have in him.

I think that's a good problem for the Vikings to have hahahah. I wish that was the Giants problem 😕 😪 🙄

Very good problem to have indeed.

Agree with all your points.

Quote from: todge on January 23, 2025, 09:56:32 PMIt's Darnold not Donald. Anyway - I never said DJ is being groomed to be the starter. How do I know what the Vikings have planned? What I did say is that all indications are that the Vikings are planning on throwing Jones into the QB mix for next year. McConnell recruited Jones for a reason and Jones chose the Vikings over a number of other teams.


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Here's your exact quote, which you can find here: https://giantsfans.net/message_board/index.php?topic=71645.msg988305#msg988305

"You should know that backups are typically signed in the offseason. Jones was offered several starting jobs but instead chose the better "situation " in Minnesota. Darnold will more than likely sign elsewhere leaving Jones and McCarthy.Look for Jones to be the starting QB in Minnesota next year." 

How else should I have interrupted your statement, Ted?  Again, your notions seem to be at odd with each other. 

There are a few more posts as well, but it seems your perspective shifted once it became evident that DJ was never going to rise beyond the role of an emergency QB.  Regardless, he's set to hit free agency in a few months.

King or Ted? not clear whose saying this.

You continue to assert that DJ received multiple offers that he turned down and I've been scouring the internet to uncover any offers other than the Vikings and cannot find one.
Can you please point me to a source?
Thanks!


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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 25, 2025, 11:54:57 AMKing or Ted? not clear whose saying this.

You continue to assert that DJ received multiple offers that he turned down and I've been scouring the internet to uncover any offers other than the Vikings and cannot find one.
Can you please point me to a source?
Thanks!


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That's Ted! He was asked to produce links to these reports but instead instructed the board to conduct their own research. I believe @MightyGiants found a post from Yahoo Sports that was clearly labeled as 'rumors' and didn't seem grounded in any facts. Yet, Ted made several posts treating it as though it were a factual article.  It's akin to citing the National Enquirer as a reliable source; IMO, it was nothing more than an entertainment piece.  There was no credible reporting to support Todge's claims...

Yeah I did an exhausted search on the subject and found no other team besides MN offering DJ a contract, much less one to be a starter.


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The idea that Jones was brought in to Minnesota with the idea that he might be the long term solution for them at starter is pure fiction. It has no bearing on reality and is a completely unserious claim. He was brought in for under $1m and less than a one year contract and wasn't even put on the active roster. If he comes back to Minnesota, he will be the QB2 at the most.

Could he start again somewhere, someday? Yes, that is a possibility. But that isn't happening in 2025 in Minnesota unless someone gets hurt or is still hurt.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 25, 2025, 02:00:57 PMThe idea that Jones was brought in to Minnesota with the idea that he might be the long term solution for them at starter is pure fiction. It has no bearing on reality and is a completely unserious claim. He was brought in for under $1m and less than a one year contract and wasn't even put on the active roster. If he comes back to Minnesota, he will be the QB2 at the most.

Could he start again somewhere, someday? Yes, that is a possibility. But that isn't happening in 2025 in Minnesota unless someone gets hurt or is still hurt.

Depending on the draft, Tenn and Oak would be a viable options for him to start.  Otherwise, his options to regain a starting role next year are limited. 

Quote from: kingm56 on January 25, 2025, 02:09:18 PMDepending on the draft, Tenn and Oak would be a viable options for him to start.  Otherwise, his options to regain a starting role next year are limited. 

The data on Jones in his two most recent seasons is objectively terrible. What QB who started a meaningful number of games in both 2023 and 2024 was clearly worse?

If he is a starter in this league again, he is going to have to prove he's worthy of that. Hard to do that in just a single offseason. He'll most likely need to be a backup and then end up on the field due to an injury to his team's, and then immediately do a very impressive job. His performances in 2023 and 2024 leave him with little credibility as a starter until he actually puts some legitimately good play (in real games) on tape.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 25, 2025, 02:15:33 PMThe data on Jones in his two most recent seasons is objectively terrible. What QB who started a meaningful number of games in both 2023 and 2024 was clearly worse?

If he is a starter in this league again, he is going to have to prove he's worthy of that. Hard to do that in just a single offseason. He'll most likely need to be a backup and then end up on the field due to an injury to his team's, and then immediately do a very impressive job. His performances in 2023 and 2024 leave him with little credibility as a starter until he actually puts some legitimately good play (in real games) on tape.

That's how I see it too, Jeff.