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Started by President Rick, March 25, 2025, 06:54:13 PM

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Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: killarich on March 25, 2025, 07:23:59 PMI think Giants should start feeling out who wants the third pick

I love Carter and Hunter .... But I don't think Graham is too far behind talent wise and would also fill a major need

If we can get Graham and pickup another 2nd or 3rd round pick I think you do it .... My hope would still be able to trade back into the first if Dart is still available .... Give up the second , 3rd comp pick , and maybe next years second or third round pick

We get Graham and Dart


This is also depending if Dart gets to post pick 15 in the first round

If not keep the picks and just draft Milroe .... And have him learn

I am a big Graham fan . Pairing him next to Dexter would be great . My good friend who is a huge financial supporter of  Michigan football  likens him to Hutchinson

Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: kartanoman on March 25, 2025, 08:28:31 PMNOW you're talking, Rich @MightyGiants  !!!

QB in 2026.

Improve the overall talent base today, will pay dividends when the franchise QB arrives next year.

Let's see if they do try to shop pick three or stay put and get a blue chipper instead. I'm focused on how many offensive linemen they will draft to protect Wilson/Winston (i.e. "Fix the damn Offensive Line!").

This is the best short-term approach in preparation for '26.

Peace!
Quote from: LennG on March 25, 2025, 08:36:44 PMI guess this means the end of the 'Cutlets' era in Giant history. Maybe, down the road, he will be a great Giant trivia question.

As for this signing, overall, I really don't like it in that we just signed a guy to play QB and most were envisioning big plays out of him. Now, with Wilson, Winston is basically a benchwarmer.

Most here were overjoyed with the Winston signing, now we seem to have an excess of QB's who could start.


Ever consider injuries ?

ViewFromSection129

Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 25, 2025, 09:23:47 PMHere is my take:

I remember Eli Manning was saying he wanted the Giants to bring in a veteran QB, so the rookie can learn from him, before he starts.

Because playing in New York can be a very hostile place to play especially if a rookie is thrown into the fire, and begins to struggle.

These last two signings of Winston and Wilson seem to validate that.

If that is the case, the Giants will draft a QB with the 3rd overall pick (Sanders), or trade up for one I.E. (Dart).

Sanders or Dart will sit for possibly the whole year, or at least most of it and learn how to read a defense and how to be a pro from the veterans, before they start.

Just my take and two cents.





One veteran... completely agreed.  But not two. With this signing, the Giants have no intention to start a rookie this year,  so they either are not drafting one,  or will take one after round one that they think needs a full year to be brought along slowly.

Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: kartanoman on March 25, 2025, 08:28:31 PMNOW you're talking, Rich @MightyGiants  !!!

QB in 2026.

Improve the overall talent base today, will pay dividends when the franchise QB arrives next year.

Let's see if they do try to shop pick three or stay put and get a blue chipper instead. I'm focused on how many offensive linemen they will draft to protect Wilson/Winston (i.e. "Fix the damn Offensive Line!").

This is the best short-term approach in preparation for '26.

Peace!

Who is the franchise QB arriving next year ? Please don't say Arch Manning , he is not com ing out next year .

Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 25, 2025, 09:55:07 PMOne veteran... completely agreed.  But not two. With this signing, the Giants have no intention to start a rookie this year,  so they either are not drafting one,  or will take one after round one that they think needs a full year to be brought along slowly.

And what is wrong with that ?

gregf

#50
I love the move. Money is good on both contracts too. Our QB room went from Jones/ Lock at $45mm to  Wilson/ Winston at $25 mm. Looks like BPA at 3. Dart can still be in play at late 1, but the risk has been seriously hedged.

MrGap92

Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 25, 2025, 09:23:47 PMHere is my take:

I remember Eli Manning was saying he wanted the Giants to bring in a veteran QB, so the rookie can learn from him, before he starts.

Because playing in New York can be a very hostile place to play especially if a rookie is thrown into the fire, and begins to struggle.

These last two signings of Winston and Wilson seem to validate that.

If that is the case, the Giants will draft a QB with the 3rd overall pick (Sanders), or trade up for one I.E. (Dart).

Sanders or Dart will sit for possibly the whole year, or at least most of it and learn how to read a defense and how to be a pro from the veterans, before they start.

Just my take and two cents.





Sitting for a year and maybe more, learning behind Wilson and Winston, is the perfect scenario for a rookie QB to learn and develop.

I'm not a Shedeur fan myself. But if they are in a position to draft a QB they like and believe in, and they feel is worth whatever selection its at, whoever that may be, they have to do it.

The only thing I feel this changes, is removes any possibility of trading for #1 if that was even on the cards to begin with.


MrGap92

I don't care if it is at 3, 34, trade up or down, day 3, Joe Milton or whatever else

They should still bring in a rookie, or maybe Milton should Pats lower their asking price.


sxdxca38

Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on March 25, 2025, 09:55:07 PMOne veteran... completely agreed.  But not two. With this signing, the Giants have no intention to start a rookie this year,  so they either are not drafting one,  or will take one after round one that they think needs a full year to be brought along slowly.

Fair enough, but don't be shocked if they do take a QB with the 3rd pick and he sits for most of the year.

Eli Manning has been involved in the process, and with the experience he has this seems like a solid move, but I do understand where you are coming from.

sxdxca38

Quote from: MrGap92 on March 25, 2025, 11:09:39 PMSitting for a year and maybe more, learning behind Wilson and Winston, is the perfect scenario for a rookie QB to learn and develop.

I'm not a Shedeur fan myself. But if they are in a position to draft a QB they like and believe in, and they feel is worth whatever selection its at, whoever that may be, they have to do it.

The only thing I feel this changes, is removes any possibility of trading for #1 if that was even on the cards to begin with.



I agree with you and good thoughts.

Question though, may I ask why don't you like Shedeur Sanders? Just curious?

sxdxca38

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 25, 2025, 09:57:07 PMWho is the franchise QB arriving next year ? Please don't say Arch Manning , he is not com ing out next year .

Arch Manning is eligible to enter the 2026 NFL draft if he so chooses.

And by the way he would be the QB I would want the Giants to draft if they could, but probably won't happen.

Brooklyn Dave

Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 25, 2025, 11:31:34 PMArch Manning is eligible to enter the 2026 NFL draft if he so chooses.

And by the way he would be the QB I would want the Giants to draft if they could, but probably won't happen.

I know that Arch Manning is eligible to enter the 2026 Draft. Why would he ? He does not need the money. For what I understand both of his uncles don't want him coimng out , they want him to enjoy the college life.

 P.S.  As I Duke grad I wish someone would convince Cooper Flagg to do the same .

y_so_blu

I'm cautiously optimistic here. Dart was the only early-round QB prospect I liked...  lukewarm on Ward... totally against Sanders... but it's a weak class overall. This probably means we wait until next year to spend major capital on the position. (Waiting for Arch Manning, perhaps?)

So this really frees us up to build DT, CB, OT... maybe invest in developmental EDGE and center because Thibs and JMS clearly can't handle what they're being asked to do. But those are details for another thread.

Very glad we didn't give Wilson that 2-year commitment. Maybe he'll compete with Winston for the job, but chances are he wouldn't sign with us at all unless he was promised the starting job.

GordonGekko80

#58
Honestly, I see this making sense. Here's why:

This Draft is not QB-heavy, neither is it a high quality draft for QBs.

Shadeur, Dart, Ward etc... I don't think these guys are really good players to start with. Sanders in my view lacks the personality to be in NY. The NY Market is completely different as opposed to any other market in the NFL, and if there's a guy that is prone to put himself in the spotlight, well then you're in for a treat.

It also takes away some pressure from the Draft, where teams now know that the Giants might not go QB, so that rattles a couple of cages in terms of draft planning. The Giants CAN go QB still, but don't have to. They can also wait it out and draft one later if there's talent they think is worth taking.
They can also move back from the #3 spot and stack up picks. 

Also, there is a chance that the Giants are looking to draft Manning in 2026. I had that thought in the back of my head for a while now...

EDjohnst1981

Quote from: MrGap92 on March 25, 2025, 11:09:39 PMSitting for a year and maybe more, learning behind Wilson and Winston, is the perfect scenario for a rookie QB to learn and develop.

I'm not a Shedeur fan myself. But if they are in a position to draft a QB they like and believe in, and they feel is worth whatever selection its at, whoever that may be, they have to do it.

The only thing I feel this changes, is removes any possibility of trading for #1 if that was even on the cards to begin with.



I think good teams, with an established vet can do this relatively easy.

When you're bad, I don't think you can. And I don't view this as a realistic option.