Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 24, 2023, 10:27:09 AMI think whoever drafts Daniels needs to build an offense around him and his strengths instead of putting him in their offense.

Do you mean like Pat Shurmur did with Jones? Why can't he sit a year and learn? Because he would be expected to start day one?

Quote from: Philosophers on November 24, 2023, 09:56:27 AMEd - the problem I have with Jayden Daniels is that if you are not used to making progression reads in the chaos of so much movement on a field every play, things can blur for a QB and so-called windows are not really so-called windows.  Playing under Joe Brady as OC, Joe Burrow did play in more of a progression system.  Brian Kelly does not run that.  More of a 1 read and let it fly.  Daniels has put up amazing stats for sure, but it's these kinds of things where a college QB with what looks like all the physical tools can't make it in the NFL.

Mike Denbrock has run different types of Offense but he's asking Daniels to "let it rip". Wasn't he coached out of a pro style offense that he was asked to run with the Sun Devils? Didn't it take him a year to fully adjust? Why can't he learn to run an NFl spread Offense? 

Daniel Jones will be the Giants starting QB in 2024, as long as he remains upright, as dictated by his cap cost- live and dead-period, full stop. That may indeed be the only "known" of likely consequence with 6 games still to play. More likely that they would have beaten Washington, last Sunday? Perhaps. More likely that the Cow even make to the Super Bowl for the first in 27 years? Hardly!

Cheers!

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 24, 2023, 10:53:25 AMMike Denbrock has run different types of Offense but he's asking Daniels to "let it rip". Wasn't he coached out of a pro style offense that he was asked to run with the Sun Devils? Didn't it take him a year to fully adjust? Why can't he learn to run an NFl spread Offense? 

I don't know about ASU's offense when he was there.  I am not saying he cannot learn it, but when he has had to utilize progressions, his accuracy declines a lot.  It makes sense because if you are dropping back with a 1 read throw in mind, you already know your target and the route run so you can focus on it.  If you are saying throwing to option #3 on the opposite side of the field after looking over option on the right side running a slant to the inside, then option 2 running a fly on the right side, then option 3 running an out to the left side, that would involve a lot of mental processing.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 24, 2023, 12:54:48 PMI don't know about ASU's offense when he was there.  I am not saying he cannot learn it, but when he has had to utilize progressions, his accuracy declines a lot.  It makes sense because if you are dropping back with a 1 read throw in mind, you already know your target and the route run so you can focus on it.  If you are saying throwing to option #3 on the opposite side of the field after looking over option on the right side running a slant to the inside, then option 2 running a fly on the right side, then option 3 running an out to the left side, that would involve a lot of mental processing.

But you said this is not something he can just learn. I'll be studying more film so for now I'll give you due deference.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 24, 2023, 01:36:13 PMBut you said this is not something he can just learn. I'll be studying more film so for now I'll give you due deference.

Seeing the entire field clearly and having the movement slow down in a QB's eyes is something many QBs are never able to obtain, especially when they have to look around the entire field.  The game is just too fast for them.  I'd rather have a QB who has spent his college years already doing and refining this.  Just saying many QBs wash out in developing this skill.

He has to be on the team. That doesn't mean he will start. If they draft a guy in the top 5, it is likely that guy will start very soon. They are not going to waste another season starting Jones.

Quote from: Painter on November 24, 2023, 12:09:10 PMDaniel Jones will be the Giants starting QB in 2024, as long as he remains upright, as dictated by his cap cost- live and dead-period, full stop. That may indeed be the only "known" of likely consequence with 6 games still to play. More likely that they would have beaten Washington, last Sunday? Perhaps. More likely that the Cow even make to the Super Bowl for the first in 27 years? Hardly!

Cheers!

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 24, 2023, 10:42:29 AMDo you mean like Pat Shurmur did with Jones? Why can't he sit a year and learn? Because he would be expected to start day one?

Depends on where he goes in the draft and who he's in front of or behind. Yeah like Shurmur, or how Daboll and Kafka did last year with Jones minus the leash when it comes to throwing the ball.

Another great game by Bo Niks and on to revenge a missed FG loss to #4 Washington and Penix.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2023, 10:51:42 AMAnother great game by Bo Niks and on to revenge a missed FG loss to #4 Washington and Penix.

One thing you gotta love about Bo Niks is that he married a gal named Izzy Smoke. No, that's not a ?, it's a fact.

Cheers!

Jones by default may be brought back due to his salary as the starter..but it should be temporary  He hasn't proven to stay healthy or consistent to merit a clean slate.

You would think the Brass want their own qb to develop sooner than later.

Quote from: Painter on November 25, 2023, 11:42:07 AMOne thing you gotta love about Bo Niks is that he married a gal named Izzy Smoke. No, that's not a ?, it's a fact.

Cheers!

Some team is going to find the right setting for Nix and utilize him well. His production is off the charts for the Ducks. Amazing season is an understatement

Quote from: Painter on November 25, 2023, 11:42:07 AMOne thing you gotta love about Bo Niks is that he married a gal named Izzy Smoke. No, that's not a ?, it's a fact.

Cheers!

I actually knew that. A former dancer as I recall.

I was thinking about comps for Jayden Daniels and I was remembering the talk @Ed Vette and I had about Anthony Richardson last season and liking his game. I think Daniels is Richardson without the question marks about passing. Daniels csme I as a pure athlete at ASU and couldn't really pass at all, and has matured into being a phenomenal deep ball thrower, and passer in general.

I think he's got Richardsons mobility and Josh Allen's arm talent, he just needs someone to put it all together. I think Daboll could do that.

I am very intrigued by Daniels. He has put together a downright remarkable season, and he has done it against premiere competition for the most part.