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Quote from: T200 on November 25, 2024, 10:20:11 AMYou're talking about guys from a different era. The times have changed.

If Detroit's offense was trash this season, would anyone be talking about Ben Johnson?

Funny you should talk about change.  I was listening to a football insiders podcast and they were talking about how the league is changing.  There is more emphasis on the run and how teams are starting to put more value on culture setters rather than just the next hot play-caller.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:17:12 AMConsider these great coaches.

Bill Parcells-  not a playcaller

Tom Coughlin-  not a playcaller

Bill Belichick-  called plays from time to time (on either side of the ball), but that wasn't the key to his success.

Mike Tomlin-  not a playcaller

The only coach I can think of among the greats is Andy Reid calling his own plays.

This isn't the NFL of the 90s. I'd argue the top coaches in the league are predominantly offensive playcallers (Reid, McVay, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, Matt LaFleur). You do have the organizational, run-the-ship guys in Tomlin and Harbaugh in the conversation... but they're also holdovers from the 2000s and very starved for meaningful postseason success in recent memory (plenty in Baltimore have lamented wasting prime years of Lamar Jackson).

I'm open to anyone, but for some to say (and not saying this is your opinion, Rich) playcaller head coaches don't work or something to that effect, I just don't know how you can look around the league and come to that conclusion.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:22:12 AMFunny you should talk about change.  I was listening to a football insiders podcast and they were talking about how the league is changing.  There is more emphasis on the run and how teams are starting to put more value on culture setters rather than just the next hot play-caller.

Agreed. That's why there are separate roles.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:17:12 AMConsider these great coaches.

Bill Parcells-  not a playcaller

Tom Coughlin-  not a playcaller

Bill Belichick-  called plays from time to time (on either side of the ball), but that wasn't the key to his success.

Mike Tomlin-  not a playcaller

The only coach I can think of among the greats is Andy Reid calling his own plays.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:17:12 AMConsider these great coaches.

Bill Parcells-  not a playcaller

Tom Coughlin-  not a playcaller

Bill Belichick-  called plays from time to time (on either side of the ball), but that wasn't the key to his success.

Mike Tomlin-  not a playcaller

The only coach I can think of among the greats is Andy Reid calling his own plays.

Great post

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 25, 2024, 10:23:24 AMThis isn't the NFL of the 90s. I'd argue the top coaches in the league are predominantly offensive playcallers (Reid, McVay, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, Matt LaFleur). You do have the organizational, run-the-ship guys in Tomlin and Harbaugh in the conversation... but they're also holdovers from the 2000s and very starved for meaningful postseason success in recent memory (plenty in Baltimore have lamented wasting prime years of Lamar Jackson).

I'm open to anyone, but for some to say (and not saying this is your opinion, Rich) playcaller head coaches don't work or something to that effect, I just don't know how you can look around the league and come to that conclusion.

Kyle.

Mentioning Harbaugh reminded me.  A Harbaugh just took over the Chargers this offseason and turned things around, and he isn't a play-caller either.

Too the point in bold.  I would say you need the traits of a good head coach.  Being a good playcaller should be considered an added bonus, not the primary reason for a hire.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on November 25, 2024, 10:23:24 AMThis isn't the NFL of the 90s. I'd argue the top coaches in the league are predominantly offensive playcallers (Reid, McVay, Shanahan, Kevin O'Connell, Matt LaFleur). You do have the organizational, run-the-ship guys in Tomlin and Harbaugh in the conversation... but they're also holdovers from the 2000s and very starved for meaningful postseason success in recent memory (plenty in Baltimore have lamented wasting prime years of Lamar Jackson).

I'm open to anyone, but for some to say (and not saying this is your opinion, Rich) playcaller head coaches don't work or something to that effect, I just don't know how you can look around the league and come to that conclusion.

It's also objectionably incorrect that the game is changing and teams are choosing to run more.  The facts: Teams are currently passing the ball at a rate of 63.3%, which is well within the statical deviation from the prior decade.  (https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct?date=2024-02-12)

This is why I don't listen to pundits....

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 09:41:30 AMAfter the going for it on 4th down on his own 36, he put the team in a bad position and then calling a wildcat that they never used before when they just drove the ball down inside the ten, sealed the deal for him. Two of the dumbest play calls I've ever seen called for the Giants. It was Judge worthy. At that point, I said to myself, dead man walking. Those two plays alone killed any chance of being in that game.

Now he has his dumb as a post shiny hood ornament running his mouth with no consequences for weeks in a row.

No way he survives this unless he runs the table. What Mara hates more than anything is fans booing and leaving early.

I regret that I can only like this post one time.

The wildcat sealed the deal for me. I've been a pretty staunch supporter of Daboll all along, but when I saw that I said "It's over. He's cooked."

You've got a young quarterback with marginal arm talent who just finally had a decent looking series with 1st and Goal and you do something high risk and completely unnecessary like that.

Quote from: TONKA56 on November 25, 2024, 10:30:58 AMI regret that I can only like this post one time.

The wildcat sealed the deal for me. I've been a pretty staunch supporter of Daboll all along, but when I saw that I said "It's over. He's cooked."

You've got a young quarterback with marginal arm talent who just finally had a decent looking series with 1st and Goal and you do something high risk and completely unnecessary like that.

To your point, that series looked more than decent in my view. And the marginal arm seemed to zip it in there (and it was quite windy)...I'll reserve full judgement until I see how he plays Thursday and the following week for a better snapshot

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:17:12 AMConsider these great coaches.

Bill Parcells-  not a playcaller

Tom Coughlin-  not a playcaller

Bill Belichick-  called plays from time to time (on either side of the ball), but that wasn't the key to his success.

Mike Tomlin-  not a playcaller

The only coach I can think of among the greats is Andy Reid calling his own plays.

And he had some bad seasons in Philly but there were reasons outside of football that plagued him. Also he learned and grew.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 25, 2024, 08:56:07 AMNot the point.

It's my point.  And yes, do you really think he is going to listen to any of these vets who aren't doing anything?

For those of you BB ain't nothin without TB.

Andy Reid was a slightly above average HC until they brought in Mahomes.

I don't believe either is true BTW


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Quote from: coggs on November 25, 2024, 10:39:43 AMIt's my point.  And yes, do you really think he is going to listen to any of these vets who aren't doing anything?

The point is he shouldn't be running his mouth to the press if he wants respect from his teammates. This time he threw them all under the bus. Mr. Oops, dropped another one.

Quote from: kingm56 on November 25, 2024, 10:30:31 AMIt's also objectionably incorrect that the game is changing and teams are choosing to run more.  The facts: Teams are currently passing the ball at a rate of 63.3%, which is well within the statical deviation from the prior decade.  (https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct?date=2024-02-12)

This is why I don't listen to pundits....

To clarify, here is the Google AI answer to- Are teams running the ball more in 2024?



Yes, NFL teams are running the ball more in 2024, but it's not a complete shift back to the traditional running game:

Efficiency
Running backs are having more success, and teams are running the ball more efficiently.

Rushing yards
NFL teams are averaging 119.5 rushing yards per game, up from 112.7 last season.

Rushing attempts
Teams are averaging 26.9 rushing attempts per game, up from 26.8 last year.

Rushing touchdowns
There was an explosion in rushing touchdowns in Week 1 of 2024.

However, the NFL is still a passing league, and some say it's too early to call the increase in rushing a new trend. Others say that defenses are getting revenge for the league's capitulation to offenses in recent years.

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Quote from: MightyGiants on November 25, 2024, 10:45:33 AMTo clarify, here is the Google AI answer to- Are teams running the ball more in 2024?



Yes, NFL teams are running the ball more in 2024, but it's not a complete shift back to the traditional running game:

Efficiency
Running backs are having more success, and teams are running the ball more efficiently.

Rushing yards
NFL teams are averaging 119.5 rushing yards per game, up from 112.7 last season.

Rushing attempts
Teams are averaging 26.9 rushing attempts per game, up from 26.8 last year.

Rushing touchdowns
There was an explosion in rushing touchdowns in Week 1 of 2024.

However, the NFL is still a passing league, and some say it's too early to call the increase in rushing a new trend. Others say that defenses are getting revenge for the league's capitulation to offenses in recent years.

Search  Labs | AI Overview

This may be a result of how to defeat the type of players at LB position in the overall league. At one point the TE position was heavily used but the talent coming out of college is WR now. Blocking TEs are valued again. The pressure on the QB has also forced a shift to run and they practice it more. Olines are better at Run Blocking than Pass Blocking overall. Passing has been reduced to a quick game of checkdowns, screens, shallow crossovers, and flats,

Quote from: Trench on November 25, 2024, 10:35:14 AMTo your point, that series looked more than decent in my view. And the marginal arm seemed to zip it in there (and it was quite windy)...I'll reserve full judgement until I see how he plays Thursday and the following week for a better snapshot

I like DeVito. Fans always want to have it both ways. They want big plays driving the ball down the field but they also want the qb to get rid of the ball immediately when the line can't hold the pocket. I saw a team that wasn't prepared and still had a hangover from the Jones drama.